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Re:Launch HN: Astro (YC W21) – Build your own dev teams in L... by smallerfish on Wednesday June 22, 2022 @02:24PM (#31839853)
Not to be a downer, but that's pretty expensive. I spent last week in [latam capital city] and met with 3 local outsourcing firms, down from 6 that I'd pre-screened by Zoom. I then reduced the list to 2 based on the co-founders of each being technical, and their solid recruiting practices. Both have offices which devs are free to come into (or work remotely), both pay salaries and offer benefits, both provide embedded developers with project managers in the background, both provide in house training and skills development. One charges $30/hr-$45/hr, one $40-$55, with the rate difference being based on the location of the devs (the cheaper range is 2 hours north of the metro area).

Both have accounts in the US which you can pay directly if you don't want to deal with wire transfers (though those also are easy). Both handle taxes.

Re:Launch HN: Astro (YC W21) – Build your own dev teams in L... by moonchrome on Wednesday June 22, 2022 @09:38PM (#31844179)
At those prices I'd expect inflating estimates, catfishing juniors by selling seniors in interview/contacts and splitting senior staff between multiple clients.

Basically that's the price range a senior developer can make on his own remoting on platforms like toptal - there's no buffer there for the agency cut unless they are some partnership or losing money to catch clients.

And best case scenario - they have decent devs available at those prices right now - it's likely they will figure out what I've said and cut out the middle man/work for some US client directly and get a 30% bump for little effort.

Re:Launch HN: Astro (YC W21) – Build your own dev teams in L... by FrankLicea on Wednesday June 22, 2022 @10:33PM (#31844557)
We kept encountering the same issues you mention.

Our teammates weren't satisfied with the outsourcing company and didn't like being interleaved between projects (formally or informally). And with negotiating down lower rates, the clients they tended to attract weren't exactly tech companies, which was uninspiring for our latam teammates.

We believe that by providing a platform that lets tech companies provide a premium developer experience, similar to the "Silicon Valley engineering culture", we can provide access to teammates that aren't typically found on Toptal/Turing nor at the typical outsourcing firm.

Re:Launch HN: Astro (YC W21) – Build your own dev teams in L... by sebleon on Thursday June 23, 2022 @05:02AM (#31846602)
Dude - it's way better for companies to hire developers directly, no need for a middle man like Astro that's charging 15% (eg. 15% of $80k/yr = $12k/yr in middle man fees)... platforms like letsdeel.com or remote.com charge as little as $50/mo per person to take care of compliance and payroll
Re:Launch HN: Astro (YC W21) – Build your own dev teams in L... by FrankLicea on Thursday June 23, 2022 @10:02AM (#31849257)
Yeah, we get the concern that Astro is just a middle man. Let me give a concrete example for why we think we provide more value than that.

We work with a few companies, whose names people would recognize, that feel more comfortable using a US business entity that they can sign contracts with to move specialized equipment, like locked down macbooks, installing special software on work equipment, or installing specialized local network equipment, etc..

These companies have physical security requirements that makes it tough for them to directly hire freelancers. Through our platform we bring those kinds of opportunities to our teammates that would be otherwise localized only certain US cities.

It's also common for freelancers to come onto our platform for various reason, 1) they didn't get paid by the customer or the customer withheld payment for onerous project tweaks 2) "contractors" were the first to get fired when times got tough, 3) "contractors" didn't get access to certain dev environments thus limiting their growth, etc.

We understand it's not a solution for everyone, that's why we describe our business model clearly, and people can decide if what Astro brings to the table is worth it!

Re:Launch HN: Astro (YC W21) – Build your own dev teams in L... by lincolnParkKid on Thursday June 23, 2022 @09:15AM (#31848628)
Have you ever had to deal with paying salaries in local currencies in many countries, with all the legal/tax implications in countries like Argentina and Venezuela with ramping inflation and multiple legal currency exchange rates? Maybe if you need one you are better off doing it yourself but if you are going to build a team and want to avoid dealing with all that crap this model sounds interesting at least
Re:Launch HN: Astro (YC W21) – Build your own dev teams in L... by 1123581321 on Thursday June 23, 2022 @08:36AM (#31848152)
Oh, it’s only 15%. No, it’s not say better to avoid paying that. Just marginally better, and that assumes the ability to reliably attract and retain the same talent.
Re:Launch HN: Astro (YC W21) – Build your own dev teams in L... by smallerfish on Thursday June 23, 2022 @08:38AM (#31848172)
They have decent devs, as I talked to several candidates. Both have high retention, under 10% churn. Devs are fully embedded, so there's no opportunity to split.
Re:Launch HN: Astro (YC W21) – Build your own dev teams in L... by jacsamira on Wednesday June 22, 2022 @02:32PM (#31839943)
Not a downer at all! We're not a fit for everyone. We totally get that. We let the devs set their prices, and then have a standard premium benefits package because we believe everyone should have silicon valley level perks. We're definitely not the cheapest, but we're invested in a long-term relationship for both parties and not just a cost-savings play. In our experience, turnover ends up being super high with low rates. But maybe you found some gems! I hope it works out. I really believe there is a need and an opportunity for everyone. We're just trying to do our part to help in any way we can.
Re:Launch HN: Astro (YC W21) – Build your own dev teams in L... by Shorel on Thursday June 23, 2022 @12:02PM (#31851017)
Honestly, reading many comments from potential customers and their complaints, and then reading your answers, while me being from Colombia and knowing many developers who could benefit from your vision, I thank you.

While the others seem to care about cost-cutting to catering to their customers, you seem to also care about the developers, and this is a breath of fresh air. I hope many of my friends in Colombia will benefit from your initiative.

The idea of extending Silicon Valley level perks is the one that works in the long term. I wish you and the developers all the success.

Re:Launch HN: Astro (YC W21) – Build your own dev teams in L... by FrankLicea on Thursday June 23, 2022 @05:29PM (#31855379)
Thank you Shorel! I think many people that object to the model haven't experienced these pain points themselves, either in the US or in Latam. But we recognize the model is not for everyone.
Re:Launch HN: Astro (YC W21) – Build your own dev teams in L... by eulercoder on Thursday June 23, 2022 @08:49AM (#31848304)
I want this too please Thank you so much!
Re:Launch HN: Astro (YC W21) – Build your own dev teams in L... by mantas on Thursday June 23, 2022 @08:50AM (#31848325)
Do you want cheap price or smart people?

Coming from eastern europe, such sweatshops usually pay local salaries and attract junior people. If you have experience and ain't afraid of talking to clients... You cut the middleman and work with foreign clients directly.

Re:Launch HN: Astro (YC W21) – Build your own dev teams in L... by woleium on Wednesday June 22, 2022 @05:01PM (#31841813)
Would you be willing to share your research? my email is on my profile if you are.
Re:Launch HN: Astro (YC W21) – Build your own dev teams in L... by smallerfish on Wednesday June 22, 2022 @06:55PM (#31842950)
Sure, emailed.
Re:Launch HN: Astro (YC W21) – Build your own dev teams in L... by ricardonunez on Thursday June 23, 2022 @08:07AM (#31847898)
If you don't mind sharing, I am interested too. Email is my username @gmail. Thanks
Re:Launch HN: Astro (YC W21) – Build your own dev teams in L... by oohaba on Wednesday June 22, 2022 @11:15PM (#31844797)
Living in LATAM and would also like to see your research, if you'd be so kind.
Re:Launch HN: Astro (YC W21) – Build your own dev teams in L... by agucova on Thursday June 23, 2022 @03:05AM (#31845997)
At this point, you might be tired of requests, but I'm also interested :).
Re:Launch HN: Astro (YC W21) – Build your own dev teams in L... by moltar on Friday June 24, 2022 @04:26PM (#31868859)
Me too, please :) email in the profile!
Re:Launch HN: Astro (YC W21) – Build your own dev teams in L... by vitalychernobyl on Wednesday June 22, 2022 @08:56PM (#31843878)
Could you share with me as well? :) Thank you!
Re:Launch HN: Astro (YC W21) – Build your own dev teams in L... by lobocinza on Thursday June 23, 2022 @01:07AM (#31845340)
Also interested. hn at posix dot dev dot br
Re:Launch HN: Astro (YC W21) – Build your own dev teams in L... by horlux on Thursday June 23, 2022 @03:36AM (#31846158)
sorry to bother but with me too please