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Re:Stolperstein by kybernetyk on Monday June 20, 2022 @04:00AM (#31807502)
Germany has a very interesting views on poles. While Germans living in Poland are officially recognized as a minority with all the rights (German schools, street names) the German government to this day refuses to recognize poles living in Germany as a minority.
Re:Stolperstein by gpjanik on Monday June 20, 2022 @04:09AM (#31807564)
Poles living in Germany are usually working migrants, not a minority that has lived there since centuries (like Germans in Poland). It's hard to compare those situations.
Re:Stolperstein by keiferski on Monday June 20, 2022 @04:22AM (#31807674)
No, you are not correct. Poles have been in Germany for centuries.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poles_in_Germany

Re:Stolperstein by waffleiron on Monday June 20, 2022 @04:54AM (#31807917)
From the wikipage:

>The position of the German government is that after the German territorial losses after World War II, the current Polish minority has no century-old roots in the remaining German territory, because Germany lost all the territories where people of German and Polish ethnicity overlapped. Since they are therefore only recent immigrants, they do not fulfill the requirements of a national minority according to the Framework Convention for the Protection of National Minorities and the Treaty of Good Neighbourship. Being German citizens, they still retain all civil and political rights every German citizen possesses, and therefore can voice their will in the political system.[10]

Re:Stolperstein by gpjanik on Monday June 20, 2022 @05:07AM (#31807981)
I think the original point is that Poles or Germans of Polish descent who survived the war have been forcefully Germanized - as in, refused the right to organize Polish schools etc. not in the modern days, but in the post war era (45-89).

There is a big group of these people (e.g. in Ruhr area) but it's really hard for me to tell (and I'm a Polish migrant living in Germany myself) if that was the case, or it was the idea that Poles/Germans of Polish descent after the war were afraid of ethnical Germans and as a result, repressed the manifest of national identity/ethnicity. It definitely was (and still is) the case for Jewish survivors of the 1939-1945 regime, but the anti-Jewish and anti-Polish sentiments didn't end from day to day and it's extremely hard to narrow down what was the cause of it.

Re:Stolperstein by keiferski on Monday June 20, 2022 @05:00AM (#31807946)
Re:Stolperstein by gpjanik on Monday June 20, 2022 @05:01AM (#31807950)
The people who have been living there pre-WW2 were deported or killed. The Poles, other than very very few, who live there now are not descendants of the "original" Polish minority in Germany.
Re:Stolperstein by keiferski on Monday June 20, 2022 @05:03AM (#31807956)
Incorrect.

> It is estimated that in modern times, some 150,000 inhabitants of the Ruhr Area (out of roughly five million) are of Polish descent.

Re:Stolperstein by legulere on Monday June 20, 2022 @07:59AM (#31809236)
Those lost their polish identity though.
Re:Stolperstein by brodo on Monday June 20, 2022 @04:21AM (#31807663)
That is because large parts of what is now Poland used to be Germany and not the other way around. Germany did not accept losing the 'German east' until reunification. It took Helmut Kohl threatening to resign for the CDU accepting Poland in its current borders.
Re:Stolperstein by sealeck on Monday June 20, 2022 @06:36AM (#31808624)
The German government in general doesn't collect data on the composition of ethnic groups in Germany.