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Re:Stolperstein by durnygbur on Monday June 20, 2022 @03:59AM (#31807488)
It's their way of commemorating their victims and somehow in the process the second largest group slipped through. I don't want their way of commemorating their victims in my home Poland.
Re:Stolperstein by Vespasian on Monday June 20, 2022 @04:08AM (#31807556)
As the GP said there are several stones commemorating polish victims in Berlin and other places.

In this case the stones mark the places where the victims lived.

I assume most Polish victims did not live in the territory of present day Germany.

From personal experience I recall some with "eastern" names in a town that used to have a notable polish minority but I couldn't say for sure.

Btw Can you recommend places to visit to learn more about their stories and history (besides the former sites of the concentration camps)?

Re:Stolperstein by Nitramp on Monday June 20, 2022 @06:58AM (#31808776)
I think the only way we can move forward in Europe is to commemorate this past together, accept responsibility, and build a future where that cannot happen again. I think that has worked quite well so far (war between the European countries is unimaginable).

Think about where we would be if we hadn't gone down this path. We can all help move things forward if we meet each other with an open mind, and steer clear of the resentment and national chauvinism of the past.

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Re:Stolperstein by Vespasian on Monday June 20, 2022 @04:14AM (#31807615)
That wasn't what I was (and still is) taught in school in Germany.

The blame was always squarely put on Germany. It was always stressed that most of the German population had more than an inkling of what was going on and many agreed.

The first time I heard the term "polish extermination camps" was a few years ago when the Polish Government outlawed it.

So I'm really at a loss here.

Re:Stolperstein by flohofwoe on Monday June 20, 2022 @06:02AM (#31808387)
For such claims you really need to provide solid sources. I have never encountered this sort of "blame shifting" (schooled in East Germany in the 80's, but I also never heard that from the "other side").

The only sort of blame shifting related to Poland that I encountered in East German propaganda was that the Katyn massacre was blamed on Nazi Germany, not on the Soviet Union.

Of course there are extremely far right organizations in Germany which to this day try to deflect the blame, but they are a minority and don't influence the public discourse (unless you live in their bubble of fake news and propaganda of course).

But in general I don't see why nationality matters much in this case. When talking about persecuted Jews, communists, homosexuals (or any other group persecuted by the nazis) of course this also includes Polish Jews, communists and homosexuals.

Re:Stolperstein by zaat on Monday June 20, 2022 @04:31AM (#31807749)
The German government had reiterate the German responsibility continuously, in words, diplomatic action and payments for the surviving victims. The Polish government however has decided lately on line of denying their share in the war crimes, effort that includes anti-historic legislation.
Re:Stolperstein by brodo on Monday June 20, 2022 @04:18AM (#31807640)
Where did you get that idea? I'd say if you'd claim something like that in public in Germany, you can kiss your career goodbye.
Re:Stolperstein by Lichtverschwend on Monday June 20, 2022 @04:20AM (#31807655)
Which German government do you mean ? There were 2 at that time.
Re:Stolperstein by fs111 on Monday June 20, 2022 @04:59AM (#31807941)
This is absolute nonsense. We are all very much aware that it was us, the Germans, who did this.
Re:Stolperstein by jebronie on Monday June 20, 2022 @04:48AM (#31807873)
Nobody in germany generally calls them "polish death camps" and nobody thinks poles are in any way to blame. Even if you called them polish deaths camps, people would assume you mean the Nazi concentration camps on occupied polish land.