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Re:Consciousness is not computation by fouronnes3 on Monday June 20, 2022 @02:13AM (#31806866)
The fake laugh can be observed to be different by the person faking it.
Re:Consciousness is not computation by koide on Monday June 20, 2022 @02:36AM (#31807005)
Exactly. And the person following the Chinese program also knows they don't speak Chinese and that they aren't understanding anything.

I don't really find the Chinese Room argument very compelling because there are too many "it's obvious that X can't really understand" in it.

Also, you can't derive from it that there can't be computed consciousness in some other form.

Re:Consciousness is not computation by Aeolun on Monday June 20, 2022 @07:04AM (#31808836)
That feels off. It’s like me saying I don’t know English. I merely know the correct alghorithm to give the correct responses to things people give me as input.
Re:Consciousness is not computation by koide on Monday June 20, 2022 @10:04AM (#31810479)
There supposedly is a (semantic) process in your brain that makes you believe you understand the sentences you are reading and writing that is on top of the (symbolic) process that tells you what to say and how to say it. And that's the quid of the issue. Searle argues that symbolic computation cannot produce understanding at the semantic level.
Re:Consciousness is not computation by psychoslave on Monday June 20, 2022 @06:43AM (#31808670)
It makes me thing about laughter yoga[1]. Just because you "fake" it doesn’t mean it won’t have a concrete measurable effect.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laughter_yoga

Re:Consciousness is not computation by Peritract on Monday June 20, 2022 @02:40AM (#31807032)
That would also apply to the Chinese room.