Bitcoin should be seen as a way of exporting cheap low quality dirty sulfuric coal and massive amounts of CO2 and carcinogens from remote unregulated regions through the atmosphere to the rest of the world.

Heavy industry does the same kind of thing, so it's not just bitcoin.

For example: heavy industry that's located in Mexico instead of U.S for environmental regulation reasons.

At least the heavy industry is fxkcing doing something.

As you already know quite well, heavy industry produces useful products and jobs, and is not a get-rich-quick pyramid scheme.

Take a step back and look at what you're doing: lamely attempting to justify and carry the water for Bitcoin's horrible energy waste and pollution, when you already know quite well what the counterarguments to your ridiculous shilling and apologetic whataboutism arguments are.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

Your arguments have been thoroughly and widely debunked already, in glorious detail, and claiming you don't have enough time in your busy online shilling and gambling schedule to educate yourself by watching a factually accurate video about reality is a cop-out that shows you're afraid to look at the facts because you know you're wrong.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQ_xWvX1n9g

Surely you don't actually believe what you're saying, that factories are as useless as bitcoin, and already know why that is an invalid argument, so I should not have to remind you.

Or do you really not give a flying fuck about the environment or public health? Then say so.

I'm bending over backwards trying to give you the benefit of the doubt that you're not that dumb to believe your own argument that heavy industry justifies bitcoin, so if you've simply lost a lot of money gambling on cryptocurrencies and you're just trying to trick other suckers into covering for your unforced mistakes, then just admit it and stop pretending.

> Take a step back and look at what you're doing: lamely attempting to justify and carry the water for Bitcoin's horrible energy waste and pollution

I think I'm not doing that. I'm just part of a conversation and my goal is not to make excuses for Bitcoin. Broadening the view and mentioning other facts doesn't mean that I make excuses for something else. I just don't want to argue pointlessly about this. I'm already in the "ban bitcoin" camp, so anything you try to say to convince me is also time wasted :)

I would advise, do more conversation and less argumentation on the forums

Then why do you think factories are as useless as bitcoin, if you think bitcoin should be banned, and why are you using whataboutism as an argument? Do you also want to ban heavy industry?

You're the one who is throwing whataboutism arguments around. So don't say you don't want to have an argument, after you started with an invalid whataboutism argument and an inconsistent position, in defense of another invalid argument that bitcoin is "a way of exporting abundant renewable electricity from isolated areas".

In case you haven't been paying attention for the past few years, of if you're only pretending to be incredulous, your argument and the argument you're defending are regularly made by bitcoin shills, and always shot down by the facts because they make no sense.

If you'd watch Line Goes Up or read any other comprehensive analysis critical of cryptocurrencies, you'd already know quit well how terribly bad and insincere your whataboutsim argument and the "exporting abundant renewable electricity" arguments you're defending are, and how thoroughly they have already been debunked, and how tired the HN community is of hearing them mindlessly parroted again and again.

You're not the first person to think of using whataboutism to justify bitcoin.

I think two different industries can be corrupt and environmentally damaging at the same time. It's not about picking sides. Maybe use common viewpoint to attack both problems.

You're just very rude in your first reply. That's one thing.

The second thing is that I don't care to argue so much about bitcoin, so I just want to not be in your path, you seem to really be angry about this. That's fine, but I don't want to be in the way. Let me leave thanks.

Heavy industry factories make such toxic waste comparing them to bitcoin is like comparing water to oil. The toxic waste created making credit cards or printing money is very toxic and not something you want to live beside.

Bitcoin uses electric power. So does electric cars, your iphone, lights that businesses leave on overnight. If you are against bitcoin because it uses power.. you really need to lobby for a law that would ban businesses polluting the night sky with lights that aren't needed.

"but bitcoin could be seen as a way of exporting abundant renewable electricity from isolated areas."

The electricity is simply wasted, not exported. It cannot be used to do work anymore.

No, and generating green hydrogen would be far more useful, but the only thing I can contort out of the argument would be it would encourage capital investment in more renewable generation which would then mean the price per kWh would reduce once the cancer of Bitcoin mining ends.