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Re:Do we need a better understanding of 'progress'? by nonrandomstring on Saturday June 18, 2022 @02:29AM (#31787660)
> Imagine if food were as cheap and plentiful as air.

It was. There was a time you could just walk out and pick it off trees.

Food didn't change. We did.

Progress is not a scalar. It's a vector. You must always ask:

Progress towards what?

Re:Do we need a better understanding of 'progress'? by pdonis on Sunday June 19, 2022 @01:02AM (#31796300)
> There was a time you could just walk out and pick it off trees.

For some, yes. Others you had to hunt or catch.

> Food didn't change. We did.

If you mean the human population grew to a point where simple hunting and gathering could not support it, and then food changed after that, that's getting things backwards. Our ancestors invented farming, i.e., a new way of producing food, and then the population grew larger than hunting and gathering could support. So food changed first. Then we changed.

> You must always ask:

Progress towards what?

Yes, agreed. Not everyone would consider our ancestors' invention of farming to be progress, for example.

Re:Do we need a better understanding of 'progress'? by scollet on Sunday June 19, 2022 @06:00AM (#31797906)
How about we progress away from blatant human rights violations and genocide, or you probably support that though.
Re:Do we need a better understanding of 'progress'? by nonrandomstring on Sunday June 19, 2022 @07:33AM (#31798357)
> How about we progress away from blatant human rights violations and genocide, or you probably support that though.

The best interpretation of your comment is that of course I support progress away from blatant human rights violations and genocide.

Though I do suggest you take extra care with grammatical use of the comma (,). :)