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Re:Leaked Amazon memo warns the company is running out of pe... by deanCommie on Friday June 17, 2022 @04:00PM (#31783487)
Promotion-orientation is bad, but so are promotion levels that are considered "almost impossible to reach".

Levels.fyi doesn't seem to agree with your title inflation evaluation: https://www.levels.fyi/?compare=Google,Amazon,Microsoft&trac...

It's only 3 data points, but it seems that Amazon Senior is comparable to Google senior, and it's Microsoft that inflates the Senior title.

Re:Leaked Amazon memo warns the company is running out of pe... by bigmutant on Friday June 17, 2022 @04:19PM (#31783753)
Sort of. The main issue is that AMZ/AWS doesn't differentiate (by title) between someone recently promoted to L6 (generally ~8-10 YOE) and someone deep in to L6 (~12-15 YOE). Other companies solve this with the Staff Engineer title, but AMZ doesn't have that. If you're an L6 who reports to an L7 Sr. Manager then you're functionally a Staff Engineer and supposed to be on the Principal track. Mileage varies across orgs/teams.

Gist: "junior" L6 SDE is more like Google L5, "senior" L6 SDE tracks mostly with Google L6 (or even L7 in rare cases).

Re:Leaked Amazon memo warns the company is running out of pe... by l8guy on Saturday June 18, 2022 @06:02AM (#31788586)
Are you sure about this?

I think it's more like Google junior L6 SDE is equivalent Uber L4.5, which itself is about the same as senior AA at Oracle (= like a L11 at Twitter).

Re:Leaked Amazon memo warns the company is running out of pe... by hintymad on Saturday June 18, 2022 @06:34PM (#31794427)
You’re right. Amazon’s L6 do not have larger packages than Google. On the other hand, Amazon has a flatter structure. Amazon’s L6 used to influence more than 100 engineers, advising general managers, owning an entire product line, if not more. Go figure.
Re:Leaked Amazon memo warns the company is running out of pe... by amzn-throw on Sunday June 19, 2022 @09:07PM (#31805150)
You're right, but when they adjusted the L6 role guideline (circa 2016), it was specifically to clarify that the L6 role was never intended to have that span of influence. Rather, every 2-pizza team (8-13 people) should have a sr. engineer. What at Google would be a Tech Lead.
Re:Leaked Amazon memo warns the company is running out of pe... by hintymad on Monday June 20, 2022 @04:22AM (#31807671)
Yeah, L6 is the new L5, and L7 L6. That's bad for those who joined Amazon as L7 and thought that they didn't have to work for title any more.