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Re:Leaked Amazon memo warns the company is running out of pe... by anigbrowl on Friday June 17, 2022 @02:18PM (#31782206)
That seems like a good (albeit cynical) strategy to be honest. 80% of your users only care about 20% of the features, and by offering as many different services as possible, you minimize the number of purchasing decisions that customers need to make. Are all your offerings just OK or even mediocre compared to the competition? Yes. Do most customers care? No, as long as it's adequate and doesn't actively cause problems. I can think of many purchase/usage decisions of my own where I prioritize convenience over optimization, because the apparent return from optimization exceeds the apparent cost.

I mean, just look at the Amazon retail operation - everyone agrees that the website is tired, ugly, and slow, but lots of people still do all their shopping from there because they're used to it and it's easier than maintaining accounts with 15 different retailers with 15 different websites. Amazon's bottom line seems to indicate that breadth-first algorithms work well on problems involving human populations.

Re:Leaked Amazon memo warns the company is running out of pe... by robocat on Friday June 17, 2022 @04:18PM (#31783730)
> Are all your offerings just OK or even mediocre compared to the competition?

This was Microsoft’s strategy way-back-when. You can go surprisingly far, especially in enterprise, by covering all the basics without excelling at anything in particular, and fixing your mistakes.

Avoiding fatal flaws is really really important and is extremely difficult to do, so just managing to be mediocre at everything necessary is actually quite uncommon in my experience.

I have seen this particularly in my limited experience of founders and startups: you may need to be great at one thing, but you also need to be OK at many many things, and you must avoid the infinite sea of fatal flaws.

Re:Leaked Amazon memo warns the company is running out of pe... by tetromino_ on Friday June 17, 2022 @06:01PM (#31784965)
> everyone agrees that the website is tired, ugly, and slow, but lots of people still do all their shopping from there because they're used to it and it's easier than maintaining accounts with 15 different retailers with 15 different websites

Slow compared to what? Amazon's website feels more responsive and more usable than 90% of online stores I've seen that carry orders of magnitude less variety of inventory. It loads fast, searches fast, provides for easy navigation between related products, and displays all needed information on one page without jank. Sure, it doesn't look modern, but it feels far more functional than the competition.

Re:Leaked Amazon memo warns the company is running out of pe... by cm2187 on Friday June 17, 2022 @06:25PM (#31785205)
Though the filtering features are pretty much useless for almost every product. Too many products to maintain any decent classification. That makes it pretty much useless for looking for computer hardware (that and counterfeit products).
Re:Leaked Amazon memo warns the company is running out of pe... by the_biot on Friday June 17, 2022 @07:25PM (#31785774)
So true, but I don't think it's impossible to maintain classification, that's just Amazon. I think they just gave up trying to, probably after they opened up up other sellers.

I suspect their search, classification, filters etc are all so broken because it's all based on a Google-style textual search, with no backend database driving those site features.

Re:Leaked Amazon memo warns the company is running out of pe... by tails4e on Saturday June 18, 2022 @07:53AM (#31789058)
Pricespy had excellent filters for the produxts they listed, though I guess it was more focused than amazon. I would say maintaining is possible, especially if they let retailers define the fields and responsible for filling them for the products they list.
Re:Leaked Amazon memo warns the company is running out of pe... by viraptor on Friday June 17, 2022 @10:48PM (#31786892)
Yet they could do much worse. By just not having multiple options merged into one item makes them better than the disaster that's eBay. In comparison they're not useless, because someone is doing it even worse.
Re:Leaked Amazon memo warns the company is running out of pe... by anothernewdude on Friday June 17, 2022 @07:27PM (#31785786)
Their local competitors in my country are so much better, and amazon shipping is so slow, I don't know anybody that actually uses amazon except for AWS.
Re:Leaked Amazon memo warns the company is running out of pe... by loldk on Monday June 27, 2022 @11:41PM (#31903805)
Except it's full of terrible fakr products and shady overseas businesses and shady company policies which often screw the customer over and fake reviews everywhere. Tons of crap products that will break or not work instantly and shady companies who refuse to give a refund unless you provide a 5 star review. Their delivery service and prime is also a rip off, it's literally no longer worth it.
Re:Leaked Amazon memo warns the company is running out of pe... by shimon on Friday June 17, 2022 @02:52PM (#31782661)
This actually seems like a structural weakness in cloud, where so much of revenue comes from the relatively few customers who are very deep in their usage. On the other hand, you can usually rely on close relationships with those customers to identify their significant needs. However, it might be harden to implement them without the bench of deeply knowledgeable engineers.
Re:Leaked Amazon memo warns the company is running out of pe... by PaulDavisThe1st on Friday June 17, 2022 @02:58PM (#31782731)
It seems unlikely to me that this analysis applies to amzn's retail division.
Re:Leaked Amazon memo warns the company is running out of pe... by pacoWebConsult on Friday June 17, 2022 @03:35PM (#31783182)
If you spend any time reading their retail forums [1], you'll see almost everyone lambasting Amazon constantly. Either disgruntled sellers who broke the rules and got terminated, or normal, hardworking mom-and-pop stores that were all but forced to sell on Amazon and consistently lose money due to amazon's ever-changing policies, poor support, and catering to large retailers. Large retailers get a direct line and quality support, while most sellers on Amazon get treated like crap.

[1]: https://sellercentral.amazon.com/forums/

Re:Leaked Amazon memo warns the company is running out of pe... by PaulDavisThe1st on Friday June 17, 2022 @07:31PM (#31785816)
The GP claim was

> where so much of revenue comes from the relatively few customers who are very deep in their usage.

I'm disputing that for retail.

Re:Leaked Amazon memo warns the company is running out of pe... by renonce on Friday June 17, 2022 @11:21PM (#31787018)
If you view the sellers rather than the buyers as customers, then you’ll see that it is the case.
Re:Leaked Amazon memo warns the company is running out of pe... by baxtr on Friday June 17, 2022 @04:20PM (#31783759)
Or maybe it’s just a tiny fraction of those millions of sellers on their platform?
Re:Leaked Amazon memo warns the company is running out of pe... by jhugo on Saturday June 18, 2022 @02:13AM (#31787601)
Who would bother writing on these forums unless they have an axe to grind?