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Re:SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking... by vkou on Friday June 17, 2022 @12:03PM (#31780222)
So, firing James Damore was the correct thing to do, after all? Him and his manifesto, and his subsequent behaviour were pretty distracting, political, toxic, critical of his employer, and wasted workplace resources...
Re:SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking... by _Tev on Monday June 20, 2022 @04:21AM (#31807659)
The context was different. He responded to internal politics-discussion-board, and that was leaked many months later. The email in the OP is (from what we can see) creating the discussion.

Also, in the end Damore's continued employment became political thing, so it was probably inevitable he had to go. But the form - especially the crazy doublespeak - of his firing was the problem.

Re:SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking... by FeepingCreature on Friday June 17, 2022 @12:37PM (#31780751)
Sounds like a deal might be possible! Maybe Google doesn't fire Damore and Mozilla doesn't fire Eich and Elon doesn't fire ... whoever these people are! We can call this agreement "liberalism"! Or "free speech"!

And yet, all I've heard from the left over the past decade is that corporate employees have no free speech because oh it's not covered by the first amendment, as if that gave you the right rather than acknowledging it, and how oh actually it's not a free speech issue, it's a safety issue, or whatever excuse of the week, and anyway the company can do what it wants regardless. (In this one instance only, of course.)

So! Fine, normally I'd be against this sort of thing of people being fired for voicing opinions, but in this case there is a big heaping of schadenfreude involved.

Leopard fence was good for something after all, was it!

Re:SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking... by deanCommie on Saturday June 18, 2022 @03:39PM (#31793068)
I think I would respect someone that said Damore, Eich, and these activists shouldn't have been fired. And I would respect someone that said each of them should have been.

Most on progressive twitter though were pro Damore being shot into the moon, but are defending these SpaceX activists (by CORRECTLY pointing out that Musk is a hypocrite with his interpretation of 'free speech')

And most on HackerNews were defending Damore, yet today think it's absolutely correct to expect to be fired from a private company for the smallest sign of dissent.

I don't have proof it's the same people, but the upvotes tell a narrative.

Me, personally, I'm in the first group. If you work for Musk you have to understand he's a petulant child who will take every slight way too seriously than what would be expected from The Richest Man In The World. And I'm not even mad that he's a hypocrite. I know he is. Everyone with a braincell knows he is.

But it is wild to see how deep Musk's cult goes that he can inverse Eurasia and Eastasia and people just fall in line.

Re:SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking... by vkou on Friday June 17, 2022 @02:47PM (#31782607)
There never was a leopard fence, though. Capricious firings being the norm have been par for the course in this country for as long as it's been one.

The solution is, of course, employment protections and unionization, but 'free-speech liberals' aren't actually very liberal, and dogmatically hate both of those things.

Re:SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking... by FeepingCreature on Friday June 17, 2022 @09:04PM (#31786403)
I think the first solution is we agree that a leopard fence would be a good thing. Then we can agree or disagree about how to actually build it.

I'm much more in favor of unionization than you'd think, but I don't think unions are a reliable defense from these kinds of leopards.

Re:SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking... by mixmastamyk on Friday June 17, 2022 @06:14PM (#31785097)
Interesting. Was he the originator, or reacting to others?