SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

Re:SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking... by germinalphrase on Friday June 17, 2022 @10:12AM (#31778478)

I’ve disconnected myself from the contemporary political back and forth, but my outsider take is that it rather seems like the US left has… mostly accomplished little? What sweeping changes or policy platforms have them ‘off the deep end’?

This is an honest inquiry.

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Re:SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking... by tsunamifury on Friday June 17, 2022 @10:19AM (#31778600)

They don’t have an answer because the modern democrats are the basically republicans of the 90s leaving the GOP with only a lot of complaining and projection as well as anti government theater.

It’s sort of a joke but it’s more sad. I used to vote Republican and I would again if anyone there was even half willing to be more considerate and rational.

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Re:SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking... by vxNsr on Friday June 17, 2022 @10:39AM (#31778883)

Just so we’re clear, you replied to this person 10 min after their comment posted. You’ve already passed judgment before giving the OP a chance to respond. Discussions here happen over days not minutes. This isn’t a telegram chat. Your comment is in incredibly poor taste.

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Re:SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking... by runarberg on Friday June 17, 2022 @10:23AM (#31778662)

This is largely true. The US’s political left gained a ton of traction behind Bernie Sanders. As we know his campaign went nowhere (twice). There are a handful of progressive candidates winning some primaries, but this is abysmal in the larger context. For every progressive that succeeds there is another progressive that fails (see e.g. Nina Turner in Ohio and Jessica Cisneros in Texas). And for every attempt there are 10 non-attempts. And we are even seeing equally many conservative democrats that honestly should belong in the Republican party in the national and state legislators.

Outside of partisan politics the left is seeing some more successes, that is in the broader culture war. This includes broader acceptance of LGBTQ+ rights, calls for immigration reforms, calls for reprimands for centuries of slavery, etc. However these successes are not making their way to the legislator by a long shot, and quite often to the contrary (see e.g. reversal of Roe v. Wade).

And I say this firmly from the left wing of the political spectrum.

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Re:SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking... by gfodor on Friday June 17, 2022 @12:15PM (#31780388)

The far left has been entirely captured by the illiberal (really, anti-liberal) sociopolitical frameworks of Critical Theory, and this has now fully been integrated into most modern day institutions by the ruling class, such as universities, corporations, etc. This is backwards looking, it’s already happened. Before I can vote for the left again (which I used to) I need to see them explicitly reject many of the principles behind Critical Theory.

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Re:SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking... by runarberg on Friday June 17, 2022 @06:13PM (#31785082)

Can you elaborate? How is critical theory affecting the policy advocated by left wing political candidates? Which left wing ideology did they promote previously which you could vote for, but are unable to now because of which specific policy? Can you give me an example of critical theory expressed by the left wing candidates in your elective district? And why these examples in particular make it so that you can’t vote for them?

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Re:SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking... by gfodor on Friday June 17, 2022 @06:51PM (#31785474)

That’s a lot of questions. I don’t have time to write a blog post level response, but will try to write something useful a bit later.

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Re:SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking... by rajin444 on Friday June 17, 2022 @10:24AM (#31778668)

https://www.wsj.com/articles/fannie-mae-freddie-mac-fhfa-hou...

Stuff like this is rampant right now. The left has thoroughly won the culture war.

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Re:SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking... by runarberg on Friday June 17, 2022 @12:13PM (#31780349)

Leaving aside the inherent bias of asking the general public whether they support a vague and/or nuanced issue, and also leaving aside these extremely narrow cherry picked issues. Where did you get the data showing that Americans do not support this?

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Re:SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking... by _-david-_ on Friday June 17, 2022 @01:04PM (#31781143)

>The poll—which surveyed 1,503 people across the country between May 4 through 17—found 55% of Americans don’t believe transgender women and girls should be allowed to compete in high school sports.

>Almost 60% of those surveyed were opposed to transgender women and girls’ participation in college and professional sports.

>Americans were less likely to oppose transgender women and girls’ participation in youth sports, with about a third of those surveyed saying transgender women and girls should be allowed to compete, while 17% said they did not have an opinion.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/only-3-in-10-americans-sup...

>According to the poll, roughly two-thirds of Republicans now believe “parents should be allowed to sue school districts if teachers discuss sexual orientation [70%] or gender identity [66%] when teaching children in kindergarten through grade three.” Independents agree (46% and 47% percent, respectively) more often than not (34% and 36%). And a significant minority of Democrats concur as well (25%, 22%) or aren’t sure (16%, 17%).

And keep in mind that is not people who have read the bill, so they could be basing it on the name.

https://news.yahoo.com/poll-only-52-of-democrats-oppose-flor...

This is when people read the bill

>When registered voters were shown the actual language of the bill, which prohibits age or developmentally inappropriate sexual education in pre-K through third grade, they supported it by more than a two-to-one margin.

>Overall, 61 percent of voters supported the text of the bill. Just 26 percent were opposed.

https://spectatorworld.com/topic/poll-americans-support-text...

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Re:SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking... by runarberg on Friday June 17, 2022 @05:59PM (#31784940)

I did some vetting on these opinion polls. Your first two seem legitimate. Although I hope you keep in mind the wording of the questions here and the varying levels of nuance that people put into before they answer on a 5 point likert scale. For example the “don’t say gay” bill opinion poll by youGov is not asking about support for the bill, but rather if they should be allowed to sue school districts under certain conditions. You might be in full opposition to the bill in question but still feel like you should always have the right to sue. This is like three levels down from the main focus of the poll and the respondents will read differently into the question, with nuance which doesn’t translate into a 5 point likert scale.

Now for your third poll, it was conducted by Public Opinion Strategies which is a republican pollster. The news source you gave me was written by Amber Athey, a senior fellow of the Steamboat Institute, which is a conservative think tanks that promotes American Exceptionalism and other nationalistic conservative values. I personally don’t put much faith in polls such as these.

Now this is all aside from the fact that these are cherry picked examples. This is hardly proof that “The left is being decimated on the trans and sexual related issue”.

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