Re:Redbean 2.0 turned into more than a hobby project
by rfoo on Friday June 17, 2022 @08:59AM
(#31777436)
> I wish I could go back in time and use tools like redbean and Cosmopolitan Libc to fix all the things with TensorFlow that I wish I could have done
... and then people want you to distribute a libtensorflow.so which they may link to or dlopen. :cry:
I had been in this "trying to distribute binaries working on every Linux distro since 2010" game too and I hate it.
Re:Redbean 2.0 turned into more than a hobby project
by lewisjoe on Friday June 17, 2022 @03:23AM
(#31775116)
redbean as an electron alternative is mind-blowing! I had the same question as the op, and this perspective does put me in fascinating directions. Like, this could be the most light-weight electron alternative, with the server acting as a escape hatch to sneak cross-domain communications and computation intensive parts of the app, etc.
Re:Redbean 2.0 turned into more than a hobby project
by niutech on Thursday June 23, 2022 @10:37AM
(#31849714)
As for lightweight Electron alternatives, we already have Neutralinojs, Tauri, NodeGui, DeskGap, Ultralight.
Re:Redbean 2.0 turned into more than a hobby project
by haberman on Friday June 17, 2022 @06:03AM
(#31776100)
> sort of like an Electron competitor
How would this work? Does the user start and stop the server manually? One nice thing about an electron app is that you open and close it like a normal application.
Re:Redbean 2.0 turned into more than a hobby project
by capableweb on Friday June 17, 2022 @06:14AM
(#31776162)
Haven't used Redbean specifically for it, but built similar things with Rust, Clojure and Golang before.
The way I used it was that if the user launched the binary, it spawned a server and opened the browser pointing at it.
If the user closed the tab, it automatically shut down the server. Or if it lost connection to any browsers for more than one hour.
Re:Redbean 2.0 turned into more than a hobby project
by Cthulhu_ on Friday June 17, 2022 @08:56AM
(#31777401)
That seems pretty clever, I think there's actually quite a few applications that work like that. And with binary servers, startup is pretty fast too.
Re:Redbean 2.0 turned into more than a hobby project
by jart on Friday June 17, 2022 @09:01AM
(#31777475)
One way to do it is you'd create a `.init.lua` file in the zip with this:
LaunchBrowser('/')
Re:Redbean 2.0 turned into more than a hobby project
by kencausey on Friday June 17, 2022 @10:27AM
(#31778719)
Is there any possibility that this could be extended to be able to specify a preferred browser or ordered list of said? I ask this because part of my work involves accessing a large number of user computers and I've found that few users set their preferred browser, they will overlook the browser request to be the default for long periods of time or just dismiss it.
Re:Redbean 2.0 turned into more than a hobby project
by jart on Friday June 17, 2022 @11:23AM
(#31779569)
This is a great example of something that can be built with the new unix module. It's unlikely we'd add a high-level API for this. The good news is you don't need us to do that since the unix module gives you all the power you need, and if it doesn't, please file an issue and we'll fix it.
Re:Redbean 2.0 turned into more than a hobby project
by modeless on Friday June 17, 2022 @09:13PM
(#31786457)
I did something like this before redbean. You can set it up so double clicking the app icon launches the server and opens the UI in a PWA window, not a browser tab. Then you can set it up so that the server exits when all application windows are closed.
Re:Redbean 2.0 turned into more than a hobby project
by synergy20 on Saturday June 18, 2022 @08:02AM
(#31789101)
my similar approach is one golang webserver binary that runs across multiplatform,and do ui in a browser,is redbean a similar idea but using lua instead?
Re:Redbean 2.0 turned into more than a hobby project
by r0b05 on Friday June 17, 2022 @04:17AM
(#31775464)
I can see it as an Electron competitor which is itself a desktop app competitor. I can also see the value of having a cross platform technology albeit using web development.
I cannot currently see it as a traditional web server replacement but perhaps that was not the intention. Running the web server locally loses the benefits of single place updates.
Re:Redbean 2.0 turned into more than a hobby project
by adictator on Friday June 17, 2022 @10:21AM
(#31778626)
> Now we've got an entire app platform that works on the lion's share of PCs/servers in a small 1mb file.
Isn't that what Docker set out to do using containers and IMO was hugely successful? How is this different?
We live in a fragmented o/s world. If you're someone like me then you've got a Macbook from the office, a Windows PC for games, a Linux workstation for compiling code, a FreeBSD server, an OpenBSD router, etc. When you're dealing with so many different systems, sometimes just having something as simple as a sed command that works reliably the same seems like an impossible ask. Now we've got an entire app platform that works on the lion's share of PCs/servers in a small 1mb file.
It's also a question of being able to distribute code. I used to work on the TensorFlow team. We were tasked with building an open source library that people on pretty much every platform imaginable would use. It broke my brain just how difficult it was for us to ship open source binaries that actually work and don't cause an avalanche of GitHub issues. Even just working on more than a few Linux distros felt like an impossible ask back then. Now that I've figured out how to do it for every distro and seven operating systems total in just one file, I wish I could go back in time and use tools like redbean and Cosmopolitan Libc to fix all the things with TensorFlow that I wish I could have done. It'd've been a different project.