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Re:Does the Tank Have a Future? by CamperBob2 on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @07:11PM (#31760618)
The impression I'm under is that the Ukraine forces have the will and the training to succeed, and maybe the manpower and intel, but not the weapons. And for some reason, we (meaning the rest of the civilized world) are dragging our feet on giving/lending them better hardware.

Frustrating to watch.

Re:Does the Tank Have a Future? by thrwy_meta on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @10:40PM (#31761973)
We airlifted M777 howitzers to them in the blink of an eye, by the standards of government/military bureaucracy. Meanwhile out here in the First Island Chain we've been begging for reinforcements/gear/funding for the inevitable fight with China and THAT shit is definitely being slow-walked in comparison.

There are also larger issues to consider beyond just "we want the help the Ukrainians". The best stuff we can send has a bunch of sensitive NATO/US technical information (radio comms, etc.). Do we want to risk that gear falling into Russian hands (and by extension probably getting shared with China)? If the answer is "no", we either have to send alternatives or send the equipment to depot maintenance areas to have the sensitive tech removed. That takes time.

Do we want to risk escalating the war outside of Ukraine, if the Russians respond kinetically to armaments shipments? The answer is again an emphatic "no" from almost every nation except maybe Poland.

Hence the popular snarky refrain: "NATO will fight Russia to the last drop of Ukrainian blood". Western governments and people will "stand with Ukraine" as long as it doesn't involve them really risking anything (such as themselves being on the receiving end of Russian missiles or artillery).

Re:Does the Tank Have a Future? by zardo on Thursday June 16, 2022 @01:11PM (#31768492)
> Do we want to risk that gear falling into Russian hands (and by extension probably getting shared with China)?

More concerning (imo) is gear, particularly man portable anti-air weapons, sold to terrorist groups either via corruption in the Ukrainian forces, or a Russian op to supply NATO arms to such groups.

Re:Does the Tank Have a Future? by seoaeu on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @10:02PM (#31761771)
No idea if your impression is true or not. But if I was in charge of Ukrainian propaganda, I can’t think of a better story to tell allied nations so they’d donate lots of weapons
Re:Does the Tank Have a Future? by CamperBob2 on Thursday June 16, 2022 @01:56AM (#31762840)
A simple reading of 1930s world history is all the "story" we should need. When a Hitler or a Putin tells you what they intend to do, believe them.