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Re:Federal Reserve raises rates by 0.75% by JumpCrisscross on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @02:34PM (#31757279)
> personal preference is to trigger a recession and reduce inflation

These aren't binary outcomes. Tight money does nothing to ease supply-side bottlenecks. It does little to target demand displaced by rising energy prices. If those are the principal drivers of inflation, tightening could depress non-energy demand in a way that causes a recession without alleviating inflation. Stagflation. (To be clear, we're not at tight money yet.)

Re:Federal Reserve raises rates by 0.75% by bko on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @03:30PM (#31758172)
> If those are the principal drivers of inflation, tightening could depress non-energy demand in a way that causes a recession without alleviating inflation

You don't think the inflation has anything to do with printing $14 trillion out of thin air, or increasing the M1 money supply from ~4tn in march 2020 to over $20tn today?

https://www.covidmoneytracker.org/

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/M1SL

Re:Federal Reserve raises rates by 0.75% by mpwoz on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @03:37PM (#31758268)
The M1 jump is not new money for the most part, it's a reclassification of things that used to be M2 as also being M1 (liquid) https://fredblog.stlouisfed.org/2021/05/savings-are-now-more...

M2 increased in 2020, but not by as much as you're saying https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/M2SL

Re:Federal Reserve raises rates by 0.75% by bko on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @06:58PM (#31760518)
Thanks for sharing. I never knew that. The post says savings accounts were moved into M1 because they're pretty liquid now. But what was the real rationale or implications? Odd time to do that move (April 24, 2020)
Re:Federal Reserve raises rates by 0.75% by kccqzy on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @07:38PM (#31760828)
It was because in April 2020 Regulation D was amended to remove the six-transfer-per-month rule. The idea is that COVID may force people to make withdrawals from savings account more often so banks could allow frequent withdrawals from savings accounts, making them more liquid. It's not a coincidence that after the Fed suspended the rule they reclassified savings account as M1.

https://www.federalreserve.gov/supervisionreg/caletters/calt...

Re:Federal Reserve raises rates by 0.75% by bryanlarsen on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @03:45PM (#31758401)
Why not both? Countries that didn't do significant QE are experiencing inflation, which argues that there is a significant supply side issue. Countries that did do significant QE have more inflation, which argues that QE also contributed. It appears that we're getting roughly 4% from each component.

So hopefully the Fed stops raising interest rates when inflation drops to around 4%.

Re:Federal Reserve raises rates by 0.75% by jmcgough on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @04:29PM (#31759031)
Most economists don't think it's related, or at least a minor cause. Inflation is happening on a global scale right now.

The biggest problem we've had is a breakdown of our supply chain because of the pandemic.

Re:Federal Reserve raises rates by 0.75% by perryizgr8 on Thursday June 16, 2022 @12:33AM (#31762457)
> Inflation is happening on a global scale right now.

All major global economies have been printing money at unprecented rates last couple of years.

Re:Federal Reserve raises rates by 0.75% by altpaddle on Thursday June 16, 2022 @12:11PM (#31767715)
Money printing to some degree has gone on everywhere but not at the same magnitude. It should not be surprising that countries have different monetary policy. Mexico for example had very little money printing/stimulus and had 7.68% annualized inflation in April.
Re:Federal Reserve raises rates by 0.75% by trashtester on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @04:42PM (#31759210)
The good thing about money printed through QE, is that it can be easily burned through QT. Which is exactly what is being done, now.
Re:Federal Reserve raises rates by 0.75% by heartbreak on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @03:39PM (#31758298)
No, because they did basically the same thing ~15 years ago without increasing inflation.

Year over year inflation is higher than it’s been in 40 years, and they weren’t printing money then either.

Re:Federal Reserve raises rates by 0.75% by solaxun on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @08:29PM (#31761182)
15 years ago was a different animal because the money largely stayed in the banking sector, as excess reserves. This time, a substantial portion of it was deposited directly into consumer's accounts (stimulus checks) - and that money makes it's way into the real economy, pushing prices up.
Re:Federal Reserve raises rates by 0.75% by coryfklein on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @04:48PM (#31759278)
No! And in fact most economists consider this to be an extremist fringe theory. A quick counterfactual here is, if the US's inflation is caused by its "money printing" (a term that is used quite loosely here, the vast majority of this money never makes it out to the general economy), then how does one explain the inflation experienced in other nations at the same time where no money was printed?
Re:Federal Reserve raises rates by 0.75% by copenja on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @05:03PM (#31759446)
I don't think the stimulus being one of the drivers of inflation is an 'extremist fringe theory' at all. I thought the consensus was it was one of many factors, and the exact contribution of the different factors (stimulus, supply issues, etc) was up for debate.

US inflation is higher than other wealthy nations and the US also did a larger stimulus. So there is evidence that the additional stimulus may have created greater inflation in the US. Scope this paper here: [0]

As far as the consensus for the cause of inflation being unclear among experts, scope this article in left leaning VOX: [1].

[0] https://www.frbsf.org/economic-research/publications/economi...

[1] https://www.vox.com/23036340/biden-american-rescue-plan-infl...

Re:Federal Reserve raises rates by 0.75% by mike00632 on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @07:34PM (#31760787)
The UK didn't provide stimulus checks yet is experiencing higher inflation than the US.

Canada gave a lot more in stimulus checks (with respect to GDP) than the US but is experiencing less inflation than the US.

Re:Federal Reserve raises rates by 0.75% by leereeves on Thursday June 16, 2022 @05:54AM (#31764201)
> The UK government has borrowed vast sums of money to fund over £400 billion ($558 billion) in stimulus during the crisis. Total government debt has soared to £2 trillion ($2.8 trillion), or close to 100% of GDP, a level not seen since the 1960s, according to the Office for National Statistics.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/03/economy/budget-2021-uk-stimul...

Re:Federal Reserve raises rates by 0.75% by coryfklein on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @05:08PM (#31759502)
Stimulus checks certainly had an impact on inflation! (A point I argue specifically elsewhere in this thread.)

But not the QE/printing money.

Re:Federal Reserve raises rates by 0.75% by tmaly on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @05:57PM (#31759962)
I am seeing other's claim it is the fractional reserve lending and commercial credit.

One other person I saw mentioned that the reserve requirement was lowered to zero in 2020. I don't think that has ever been done before.

Re:Federal Reserve raises rates by 0.75% by alangibson on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @05:17PM (#31759591)
Nope. I buy manufactured goods for a couple of businesses and everyone blames the price increases on supply issues.

Also, Google MMT. Printing money is only inflationary of the economy is running near capacity.

Re:Federal Reserve raises rates by 0.75% by AuryGlenz on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @11:21PM (#31762168)
MMT is far from fact, and I would go as far to say this little issue we're having disproves a good portion of it.
Re:Federal Reserve raises rates by 0.75% by alangibson on Thursday June 16, 2022 @02:55AM (#31763188)
Which portion?
Re:Federal Reserve raises rates by 0.75% by jonny_eh on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @03:29PM (#31758154)
That's my fear. In other words, increasing interest rates may not address the cause of the current inflation, so now instead of one problem (inflation) we have two (inflation + recession, aka stagflation).
Re:Federal Reserve raises rates by 0.75% by dageshi on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @04:51PM (#31759328)
Ultimately consumer sentiment has a much bigger effect than just about everything else.

The public are worried about inflation, it's the issue of the day. They will cut back spending until inflation is seen to be tackled which will likely bring about a recession anyway.

Given that, the Fed's hand has been forced, if they do not seem to be aggressively trying to deal with inflation the public will become even more scared and reluctant to spend.

Re:Federal Reserve raises rates by 0.75% by Retric on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @02:58PM (#31757679)
It keeps supply side bottlenecks from being inflated with cheap money.
Re:Federal Reserve raises rates by 0.75% by ketzo on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @03:12PM (#31757890)
People aren’t buying gas or groceries with “cheap money.”

Housing, business debt — sure. But there’s a long, convoluted path from cheap debt to inflation of consumer goods.

Re:Federal Reserve raises rates by 0.75% by Retric on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @05:44PM (#31759837)
The thought process goes: Consumer goods like TV dinners are still based on things further up the supply chain like fertilizer. Normally you get inflation when there is a shortage of say crude oil, but when everything is running into random shortages companies get defensive and start trying to stockpile supplies.

Hypothetical example: If Dell wants another 2 weeks of GPU’s on hand from Random Supplier X, and Random Supplier X wants 2 weeks of chips for their GPU’s on hand from Nvidia, and Nvidia wants 2 weeks of refined silicon on hand from supplier Y, who wants to source 2 weeks of raw materials early that’s 2 + 2 + 2 + 2 = 8 weeks worth of demand of sand from some mine somewhere out of thin air. Which then dramatically bumps prices for sand and that trickles back down the supply chain.

However, higher interest rates should moderate how much each company in that chain stockpiles, which reduces the demand for sand even if the same number of computers are shipped either way.

Re:Federal Reserve raises rates by 0.75% by ketzo on Thursday June 16, 2022 @03:02AM (#31763239)
Interesting. Thank you for that explanation. That makes a lot of sense.
Re:Federal Reserve raises rates by 0.75% by symlinkk on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @03:44PM (#31758389)
Through their actions they’re revealing that all of the excuses thus far were a lie. “Chip shortage”, “wood shortage”, “salmon shortage”, were all fake and overblown, and the real problem was too much money the whole time.
Re:Federal Reserve raises rates by 0.75% by thfuran on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @04:19PM (#31758897)
So all the electronics manufacturers and lumber suppliers are just engaging in some vast conspiracy? All the laptops and access points and microcontrollers and such that are hard to buy are just being hidden in hastily constructed wooden castles somewhere?
Re:Federal Reserve raises rates by 0.75% by babypuncher on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @04:10PM (#31758779)
You really think that every manufacturer on the planet is conspiring to make people think there is a chip shortage?