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Re:Satellite Detects Largest Release of Methane in the World by throwaway71271 on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @10:52AM (#31753811)
what is america without gas and oil?
Re:Satellite Detects Largest Release of Methane in the World by toss1 on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @11:35AM (#31754576)
About 92% other businesses.

Oil and NatGas account for about 8% of the US economy (and that's the best case figure that the American Petroleum Institute can come up with)[1]. US exports are trivial.

In contrast, Russia's exports are 68% Oil and NatGas. [2]

Of course, for now, Oil and Natgas are key strategic components to every economy. That does not mean that supply and demand mean the same thing for every economy.

[1] https://www.api.org/news-policy-and-issues/taxes/oil-and-nat...

[2] https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=17231

Re:Satellite Detects Largest Release of Methane in the World by spurgu on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @01:45PM (#31756540)
That's the same argument as saying food is only 4% the economy. Try taking food out of the equation and see how the rest fares.
Re:Satellite Detects Largest Release of Methane in the World by silverspoonin on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @02:04PM (#31756830)
I think you are confusing export with consumption. Russia's fossil fuel production is mostly slated for export, and thus they are very sensitive to the international demand for said fossil fuels. In comparison, US production is mostly slated for internal use, so international demand does not impact the economy as severely.
Re:Satellite Detects Largest Release of Methane in the World by spurgu on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @03:44PM (#31758370)
Yeah (as sibling poster pointed out) I guess that it was more of a distraction point from throwaway. I just read and thought of it in broader terms of oil and gas being super important to any modern civilization.

What you say is true though, short term, but I think I might still rather be in Russia's position in terms of fossil fuels than that of the US, when we look at things long term. What Russia has the option of doing - which is also being discussed elsewhere in this thread - is using those resources domestically, to grow/develop its own industries and (currently dwindling) population. In fact that's what they're being pushed to do by the sanctions (as they have been developing their agriculture as a response to previous sanctions). I've been really really skeptic of the sanctions (to put it mildly) since the beginning. They will always find ways to sell their resources (if they want to).

Re:Satellite Detects Largest Release of Methane in the World by toss1 on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @11:00PM (#31762084)
Even though the sanctions are imperfect, they still have a very real effect. At an absolute minimum, it vastly increases the overhead of the sanctioned country to sell it's oil, and those who do work around sanctions can demand and get a large discount, thus reducing revenues. Even more effective are the supply-side sanctions, and the Russian auto and air transportation industries are already seeing serious effects, which will only get worse.
Re:Satellite Detects Largest Release of Methane in the World by toss1 on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @02:24PM (#31757117)
No.

The argument by throwaway71271's is pointless and made only as a distraction from the initial point that Russia is a petro-state heavily dependent on oil export - without those EXPORT revenues the entire state is at serious risk of collapse.

Obviously EVERY economy has many critical components that are yet a small percentage of the overall economy; your mention of food is an excellent example. These are not the question here.

The only relevant point is that the USA is not even close to dependent on it's exports of oil and gas. In fact, NatGas exports were entirely banned until recently. If all USA oil & NatGas activities were suddenly done on a nonprofit basis at cost, the economy would only shrink marginally. If Russia did the same thing, it would likely collapse on a timescale of single-digit months.

Re:Satellite Detects Largest Release of Methane in the World by Workaccount2 on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @10:53AM (#31753831)
A tech and finance powerhouse.
Re:Satellite Detects Largest Release of Methane in the World by spurgu on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @01:56PM (#31756713)
Tech at the moment sure, but there's nothing that stops the geographical location from shifting. There are skilled IT people around the world, there just aren't that many tech hubs like Silicon Valley.

Finance? Remind me again how much debt the US has and how close it was to defaulting last year (saved by being forced to raise the debt ceiling yet again)? Things aren't looking much better right now.

Re:Satellite Detects Largest Release of Methane in the World by bogomipz on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @02:34PM (#31757276)
>"Tech at the moment sure, but there's nothing that stops the geographical location from shifting. There are skilled IT people around the world, there just aren't that many tech hubs like Silicon Valley."

Except that tech in the US is also NYC, Seattle, Austin and Boston too. It outgrew the SV hub years ago now. Those locations are the results of location shifting.

>"Finance? Remind me again how much debt the US has and how close it was to defaulting last year (saved by being forced to raise the debt ceiling yet again)? Things aren't looking much better right now."

"Finance" is used to describe the industry of and around investment banking. It is very different and distinct from the context of the US Treasury which you seem to be conflating. Further the US was never even close to actually defaulting on its debt last year. What happened in October was a bit of political theater around something known as the "debt ceiling." This is simply the agreed upon amount that congress says the US can have outstanding. This is very different from sovereign defaults that result from not having the means to pay. There is a primer here [1].

It's also unclear what you mean by "Things aren't looking much better right now." Despite experiencing the same stubborn inflation as the rest of the globe, the US has had something of a miracle recovery since the beginning of the pandemic. The unemployment rate as of May was 3.6% which is about what it was before the pandemic. There's been many other bright spots as well [2].

[1] https://www.investopedia.com/terms/d/debt-ceiling.asp

[2] https://www.thebalance.com/how-is-the-economy-doing-3306046

Re:Satellite Detects Largest Release of Methane in the World by MomoXenosaga on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @03:31PM (#31758184)
Obviously which is why smart countries diversify and constantly adapt to changing circumstances.

The real capital of a nation is its people.

Re:Satellite Detects Largest Release of Methane in the World by throwaway71271 on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @10:54AM (#31753860)
neither of those exist without gas and oil :)
Re:Satellite Detects Largest Release of Methane in the World by silverspoonin on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @01:56PM (#31756715)
Neither of those exist without energy, which is a fine distinction from "gas and oil".
Re:Satellite Detects Largest Release of Methane in the World by iancmceachern on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @04:01PM (#31758662)
And entertainment
Re:Satellite Detects Largest Release of Methane in the World by stevenicr on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @02:55PM (#31757624)
while I can see how your statement is true-ish - and maybe meant as snarky rebuttal or something, maybe funny - sure.

I think the GP was meaning that without being able to extract and sell gas and oil, Russia would be nothing compared to what it is today... I would guess that if the whole world shunned oil / gas and went electric only by the end of the year, that Russia would not have a lot of other industries to make up for lost sales, and the whole country would be what, more than 50% poorer or something? With not much else to sell to make up for the lost export money. (I am guessing from very little study)

indeed it would be catastrophic for the US and many other places if it were not for oil and gas today and tomorrow - but that was not the point of the conversation direction at the time I believe.

Re:Satellite Detects Largest Release of Methane in the World by spurgu on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @01:45PM (#31756531)
Modern civilization is nothing without gas and oil.
Re:Satellite Detects Largest Release of Methane in the World by Arubis on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @11:04AM (#31754021)
Less of an invasion risk.