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Re:UK Ends Subsidies for Electric Cars by JimmyAxod on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @10:09AM (#31753128)
> it currently costs about 1/10th the price to fuel up an electric car vs. a petrol car

Can you provide some data for that claim. Are we talking cost per mile travelled eg like for like?

Re:UK Ends Subsidies for Electric Cars by zelos on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @10:28AM (#31753415)
I think it's closer than that?

Very roughly, UK prices are ~£0.2/kwh electrity and ~£2/litre of petrol. Per mile I make that £0.2 for petrol vs £0.045 for electric. Although you could probably get to the 1/10th figure if you always charged on the super-off-peak EV tarrifs.

Re:UK Ends Subsidies for Electric Cars by JimmyAxod on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @10:35AM (#31753505)
Where are these places that give you massively discounted electricity at night?! Done away with around here many years ago… I wouldn’t rely on them always being there - obviously especially if everyone starts charging cars at night as it will cease being off peak and the reason for the lower price will be eroded.
Re:UK Ends Subsidies for Electric Cars by abrugsch on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @11:23AM (#31754369)
There are multiple electricity providers in the UK currently that have "EV tariffs" where they give you substantially discounted overnight/off-peak rates in exchange for a slightly higher daytime rate in order to encourage overnight charging. Often up to a maximum specified number of KWh per cycle.

In previous times they used to offer a tariff called economy 7 which worked in conjunction with so-called storage heaters. They would charge during off-peak times and provide heat during more active hours. (disclaimer, I've never lived in a property on such a scheme but definitely saw a few in my student days)

Re:UK Ends Subsidies for Electric Cars by zelos on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @10:48AM (#31753727)
Octopus (https://octopus.energy/) do 7.5p/kwh 00:30-04:30. I haven't used it, though, no idea if there are catches.
Re:UK Ends Subsidies for Electric Cars by jsight on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @10:53AM (#31753827)
They are becoming more common here in the US. Although the one that I see most is more like a 3-4 hour peak period with very high rates and lower rates the rest of the day.
Re:UK Ends Subsidies for Electric Cars by kraftman on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @10:45AM (#31753680)
It's common in france due to the amount of nuclear
Re:UK Ends Subsidies for Electric Cars by throwaway894345 on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @10:35AM (#31753502)
Assuming 7 pounds / gallon and 30mpg, a gas car would cost 23p per mile. Assuming 28.2p/kwh and 300wh/mi that comes out to about 8.5p/mi (figures pulled from Google for London, no idea if they're accurate, I'm in the US). In my experience that 300wh/mi is generous (my 2022 model y is usually closer to 350wh/mi in the summer driving downhill with the wind at my back and up to 450wh/mi in the winter). In any case, it doesn't seem to be anywhere near 1:10.
Re:UK Ends Subsidies for Electric Cars by shiftpgdn on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @10:43AM (#31753636)
Do you drive like a maniac? Even here in Texas where you need to run the a/c full bore most tesla drivers see 250-300wh/mi.
Re:UK Ends Subsidies for Electric Cars by throwaway894345 on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @11:45AM (#31754767)
No, and I'm actually worried that I got a shit battery. It also charges at max 60kw. I just drove from Illinois to Denver and we got an average of ~350wh/mi (we had the A/C on but we tried to moderate it to save battery).
Re:UK Ends Subsidies for Electric Cars by jsight on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @10:51AM (#31753790)
There are charging losses to take into account as well. I think my gross is closer to 300 wh/mi lifetime than the 260 or so that the car reports.
Re:UK Ends Subsidies for Electric Cars by throwaway894345 on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @01:23PM (#31756227)
My figures were not gross, sadly. :(
Re:UK Ends Subsidies for Electric Cars by leoedin on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @11:03AM (#31754011)
Energy pricing doesn't have to be constant - there's tariffs available which have cheap overnight electricity (eg Octopus Energy) - if you sign up now it's something like 7.5p/kWh, but some older contracts have it at 5p/kWh. You pay more during the day, but if you're charging a car a lot then it works out cheaper overall.
Re:UK Ends Subsidies for Electric Cars by Symbiote on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @10:19AM (#31753304)
Looking at this, which has petrol costs from a month ago, it seems possible, although ⅛th is more realistic.

With today's price it would be 16p/mi for petrol. Their optimal May electricity price gives 1.88p/mi.

https://www.whichev.net/2022/05/13/is-it-cheaper-to-drive-an...

Re:UK Ends Subsidies for Electric Cars by mperham on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @10:54AM (#31753852)
I pay $0.07 per kwh in Portland, OR. My Tesla Y gets roughly 3 miles per kwh. So 30 miles for $0.70.

At $5/gal and 20mpg, you'll pay $7.50 for 30 miles.

Re:UK Ends Subsidies for Electric Cars by pornel on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @10:24AM (#31753352)
Cost per mile driven. 1/10th cost is on the more favorable end of the spectrum, but it's achievable if you can charge at home using an off-peak tariff. The ratio depends very much on what petrol MPG you compare it to.