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Re:Teslas running Autopilot have been in 273 crashes in less... by qeternity on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @09:35AM (#31752665)
I think OP is saying something slightly different: the Tesla numbers could be substantially worse if Autopilot simply disengages 1 millisecond before impact, it would not count as an Autopilot crash.
Re:Teslas running Autopilot have been in 273 crashes in less... by bitexploder on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @11:47AM (#31754780)
The WaPo article addresses that and counts them as AutoPilot engaged crashes. It seems to disengage 1 second before many of the crashes. It is nearly impossible to draw any conclusions about anything from this article. Other than, people use AutoPilot and sometimes they crash using it.

The one interesting bit is where the damage happened on the cars and the hitting of stationary objects. Those seem like unforced autopilot errors.

Re:Teslas running Autopilot have been in 273 crashes in less... by moralestapia on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @09:38AM (#31752701)
1 ms < 30 seconds, so that data is there as well.

Also,

>I'm no Tesla fan, but ...

Sounds like he's vouching for them.

Anyway, the argument is not against @bradfa, it is about whether AP makes driving safer or not.

Re:Teslas running Autopilot have been in 273 crashes in less... by bradfa on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @09:38AM (#31752690)
And there's recent articles where almost exactly this has been found. Autopilot deactivating 1 second before impact.

In these kinds of cases, then yes, Autopilot is definitely partly at fault, but also the human is because Autopilot is only a level 2 system, the human is still responsible.

Re:Teslas running Autopilot have been in 273 crashes in less... by vagrantJin on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @10:00AM (#31752981)
> Autopilot is only a level 2 system, the human is still responsible.

True.

> In these kinds of cases, then yes, Autopilot is definitely partly at fault,

Partly? Now that's called shilling.