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Re:Amazon builds property empire, quietly buying land across... by tester756 on Tuesday June 14, 2022 @07:16PM (#31747195)
>It's not like he was a rags to riches story, they virtually never are.

>Bezos got hundreds of thousands of dollars in money from his parents

still, going from e.g 600k (300k in 94) to trillion dollar company is impressive as hell

how many startups do receive way, way more than that and fail?

Re:Amazon builds property empire, quietly buying land across... by coliveira on Tuesday June 14, 2022 @07:34PM (#31747352)
> how many startups do receive way, way more than that and fail?

There is always the assumption that people failed because they're stupid, and some people succeed because they're genius. This is nonsense. Of course Dr Evil, I mean, Bezos, has a strong work ethic, intelligence, and business drive, but this is not guarantee of anything. He was doing the right thing at the right time, period. He got billions of dollars to apply a business strategy that worked well for the market conditions, but this is not because he is so different from other business people.

Re:Amazon builds property empire, quietly buying land across... by criley2 on Tuesday June 14, 2022 @07:53PM (#31747512)
Honestly, I don't know if I buy it.

Even today, when I buy online from a small business, it's normal to wait 3-5 business days for the order to be processed and a shipping label to be created, 1-2 days for the product to enter shipping system, and 3-5 more days for delivery. I routinely wait 2-3 weeks for popular stuff from decently big websites that are clearly 10000000X smaller than Amazon.

Meanwhile, Amazon hits same day and next day shipping all the time zero issue.

Amazon wasn't the right thing at the right time. It imagined a different type of delivery that no one else today gets anywhere near. Amazon is to delivery what Apple is to hardware. It's different and not repeatable no matter who tries.

I try to support smaller shops all the time, but it's definitely frustrating to wait 2-3 weeks on a delivery that know Amazon will next day to me.

Shout out to local pet foodstore hollywood feed which puts a branded car at each location and does physical deliveries. Y'all beat Amazon with a 30 minute delivery. Can't argue with results.

Re:Amazon builds property empire, quietly buying land across... by jabbany on Tuesday June 14, 2022 @08:10PM (#31747637)
The example of same/next day delivery doesn't suggest anything special about Amazon though. It's really just an argument of economies of scale.

A small business usually only addresses a very specialized part of the market so they don't really ship that much stuff and thus can't hire that many people to deal with shipping without a huge overhead. However, if you stack thousands of businesses onto a marketplace, and then handle logistics for all of them, now there's much less overhead: the same shipment can combine many different specialized things.

Also fwiw Amazon is by far not a pioneer of fast delivery. Same day delivery has been around in densely poplated places (like in China) years before Amazon even started trialing the service.

Re:Amazon builds property empire, quietly buying land across... by AussieWog93 on Tuesday June 14, 2022 @10:14PM (#31748377)
Sorry mate, but I'm going to call bullshit on this. I've grown a home-based eCommerce business from nothing to 400k sales a year with 5000+ active SKUs.

Once you've hit around 5-10 sales per day, there is absolutely nothing physically stopping anyone from doing same-day delivery apart from poor inventory management or a simple unwillingness to do so (which is valid; some people can't work every day due to family commitments).

Re:Amazon builds property empire, quietly buying land across... by jabbany on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @12:36AM (#31749162)
> 5000+ active SKUs.

You have provided evidence for the exact same point I'm making, economies of scale. You have a large ecommerce business with a variety of things to sell so you benefit from economies of scale in shipping.

Most small individual sellers have maybe like 50 SKUs which makes it prohibitively expensive to do same day delivery.

Re:Amazon builds property empire, quietly buying land across... by AussieWog93 on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @06:21PM (#31760168)
No, I think you've missed the point. 5000+ SKUs make the logistics _harder_, not easier.

Back when we only had a couple of dozen SKUs, it was much easier to get everything out same day. Package them all in the same envelope, stick in a red post box. Done.

Re:Amazon builds property empire, quietly buying land across... by jabbany on Monday June 20, 2022 @02:35PM (#31813888)
It doesn't make logistics easier, but it makes it worth investing resources into. Economies of scale means you get more value for the resources you do invest into logistics.

Anecdotally, almost all small online businesses I've seen the back end of do not have a dedicated logistics person. When there's only a handful of different kinds of stuff to ship, shipping becomes an extra low-skill task usually given to whoever is free. They also usually do not have a sophisticated inventory management system (because it is not worth it to purchase one), and instead use spreadsheets that are manually managed.

Secondly, sending out stuff same-day is not even close to same-day _delivery_. For that you need to control all aspects of the logistics chain, which only makes sense at Amazon scales. I've encountered many times where I've ordered things, had a label created the same day but then with no progress for a week. After contacting the seller, it turned out the courier only picks up packages from their warehouse once every 3 days, and then takes another couple of days to "ingest" it and do the origin scan.

Re:Amazon builds property empire, quietly buying land across... by nwienert on Tuesday June 14, 2022 @08:10PM (#31747640)
Zappos and others have done it (Zappos did it better, even), but most were sucked up or forced out by Amazon as it had all the momentum. That's exactly being in the right place at the right time.
Re:Amazon builds property empire, quietly buying land across... by chiefalchemist on Tuesday June 14, 2022 @08:12PM (#31747655)
> Amazon is to delivery what Apple is to hardware

That's a key point. Amazon isn't an ecomm company. It's a logistics / fulfillment company. It markets, sells and delivers commodities.

It's magic is execution.

Which is a lesson for all of us. That is, average idea...world beating execution.

Re:Amazon builds property empire, quietly buying land across... by tester756 on Tuesday June 14, 2022 @07:41PM (#31747412)
>but this is not because he is so different from other business people.

What makes you think so?

Re:Amazon builds property empire, quietly buying land across... by nitwit005 on Tuesday June 14, 2022 @07:53PM (#31747505)
It's possible he's special, but you often see the pattern that someone starts a highly successful company, but then go on to start other companies that don't do well. That they can't replicate their success suggests luck or circumstance was involved.

And there is always the possibility that the CEO wasn't the one to make the company successful. A company isn't one person.

Re:Amazon builds property empire, quietly buying land across... by TapWaterBandit on Tuesday June 14, 2022 @07:56PM (#31747534)
Mainly because some people loathe the idea that they aren't entitled to a share of what Bezos created so they prefer to view his success as something anyone could have done if only for xyz.
Re:Amazon builds property empire, quietly buying land across... by selcuka on Tuesday June 14, 2022 @08:07PM (#31747619)
> how many startups do receive way, way more than that and fail?

This is not the right way to look at it. In a competitive market obviously only a few, or one will survive.

The point is, how many "rags to riches" startup can you think of? The ones with founders who did not have a safety net. The 600k (or 300k in 94) is immaterial, he could have also done it with zero capital. What matters is he was able to take risks because of his family's safety net. He would never be homeless if he failed.

The risks he could take were very different than one who refinanced their home to fund their startup.

Re:Amazon builds property empire, quietly buying land across... by SnowHill9902 on Tuesday June 14, 2022 @09:07PM (#31747985)
So let him thank his parents. What’s the problem? Are you suggesting that everyone should average down to being poor? Children are an extension of their parents. Genetically and socially.
Re:Amazon builds property empire, quietly buying land across... by selcuka on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @12:09AM (#31749021)
I'm suggesting that ignoring the role of their parents is hypocrisy.
Re:Amazon builds property empire, quietly buying land across... by nwienert on Tuesday June 14, 2022 @07:27PM (#31747287)
We don’t really know how impressive it is, a lot of founders made it huge in that golden time period even for terrible ideas that died shortly after, and network effects always crown one or two as massively disproportionate winners in each area.

If you acknowledge that timing, connections, background and network effects dominate the equation (if Bezos was 2 years late, is there any doubt there’d be a “different” one?), you realize there’s something gross about how wealth is distributed.

Re:Amazon builds property empire, quietly buying land across... by sahila on Tuesday June 14, 2022 @07:37PM (#31747378)
There’s definitely doubt about another Amazon appearing!

Sure we might get a dominating e-store that sells goods, that’s easy to imagine. But that same company also creating the largest cloud provider, being the largest distributor, going international, creating the kindle, now property acquisition, and so on. Yeah I do doubt there’d be another Amazon.

Re:Amazon builds property empire, quietly buying land across... by nwienert on Tuesday June 14, 2022 @08:09PM (#31747631)
AWS wasn't Bezos, it was a whole squad of Amazon execs and employees and an idea that formed over a long time period through many people, if anything it proves the opposite point that he deserves outsize rewards. The rest of the success makes a ton of sense in context (Kindle and distribution from becoming the network-effect winning e-commerce store/bookstore).
Re:Amazon builds property empire, quietly buying land across... by AussieWog93 on Tuesday June 14, 2022 @10:20PM (#31748404)
>if Bezos was 2 years late, is there any doubt there’d be a “different” one?

Bezos was 25 years late to Australia, and still nobody put together a business like his during that 2-decade gap.

Kogan had some of the successful elements, but it's nothing like Amazon US.

Re:Amazon builds property empire, quietly buying land across... by MichaelZuo on Tuesday June 14, 2022 @11:16PM (#31748736)
This is a very good point. And Australia is not some tiny market and has what appears to be competent businessmen
Re:Amazon builds property empire, quietly buying land across... by marricks on Tuesday June 14, 2022 @07:21PM (#31747228)
I didn't say it wasn't impressive but it's as impressive as... watching someone win the Squid Games by backstabbing everyone else? I don't think it deserves any applause or proves anything.
Re:Amazon builds property empire, quietly buying land across... by beepbooptheory on Tuesday June 14, 2022 @07:23PM (#31747245)
Sure, but the impressiveness scales logarithmically here.