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Re:Coinbase lays off around 1,100 employees by nostrademons on Tuesday June 14, 2022 @05:38PM (#31746400)
Are you advocating against billionaires & capitalism, or against power relationships?

In theoretically egalitarian systems like communism, a committee makes decisions about how to allocate resources. Then whoever holds most sway over the committee holds sway over resource allocation. If you do it by direct democracy, then whoever owns the news media & ad platforms (or has money to do massive PR campaigns and ad buys) holds sway over resource allocation. You can't escape this: somebody is going to make the decisions, unless you just run the world by computers and have humans slot in for menial tasks.

Re:Coinbase lays off around 1,100 employees by pessimizer on Tuesday June 14, 2022 @05:53PM (#31746527)
The question is who they're beholden to, i.e. who they derive that power from. The problem with the person with the most sway over a committee being able to make a decision is less because:

1) The fact that it's necessary to "hold sway" is a result of the power not actually being held by that person, but being loaned to that person by the rest of the committee in a way that can be withdrawn at any time.

2) The committee members are all subject to the process that chooses them. That's the power center, and the character of that process defines the legitimacy of what the committee does. If a billionaire chooses them, the committee is a mask. If the people being governed choose them, that's the basis of popular sovereignty, and the justification for post-Enlightenment government in general.

> whoever owns the news media & ad platforms (or has money to do massive PR campaigns and ad buys) holds sway over resource allocation.

You're talking about other billionaires. The conversation is about not having billionaire.

So this boils down to if billionaires choose a committee, billionaires will run things, and if people vote for a committee and billionaires control all of the information that those people get, billionaires will run things. You can escape this if you don't have billionaires.

Re:Coinbase lays off around 1,100 employees by nostrademons on Tuesday June 14, 2022 @10:54PM (#31748617)
Power is always loaned, and always beholden to someone (or a large group of someones) else. That's what makes it power: the ability to get other people to do what you want them to. If they don't do that, you don't actually have power, while if they do, you've got the power regardless of what the formal power structures (which are often misdirections anyway) say.

The rest of your post is largely true, but also applies to billionaires. They derive their power from people being willing to trade money for the goods and services produced by the assets they own. When people cease to make that trade, their money and their power evaporate. Just look what's happened to the shareholders of Kodak, Xerox, Pan-Am, GM, Sun Microsystems, Lehman Bros, etc.

Note also that systems without billionaires have existed, and have often been worse in terms of distributing power to many people. See eg. Soviet Communism, where power rests in the Politburo, and the local party apparatchik holds outsize sway over everything regardless of competence. Or even post-WW2 U.S, when the top marginal tax rate was 90% and executive compensation was far lower because there was no point in paying a lot when the government got 90% of it. Corporations instead compensated their top execs in-kind: usage of private jets, corner offices, ability to influence what every American thought through advertising and mass culture, influence on policy makers. Orwell's 1984 and Chomsky's Manufacturing Consent were about the 1945-1980 period, not the post-Internet era. Power was significantly more centralized during that time period than it is now.

Re:Coinbase lays off around 1,100 employees by tbrownaw on Tuesday June 14, 2022 @07:45PM (#31747445)
> unless you just run the world by computers and have humans slot in for menial tasks.

BOFH: I've upped my priority, so up yours.