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Re:We will never have enough software developers (2020) by bluGill on Tuesday June 14, 2022 @09:13AM (#31738929)
My company has noticed that good developers in Germany are cheaper than in India. Good is key here, you can get bad developers in India for very cheap (this might be good enough). The highest paid software positions in Germany are non-union jobs and the majority are not willing to leave the union for more money, which means they are refusing to do the work of a senior engineer, and this in turn means we can't use the cheap labor for lack of leaders.
Re:We will never have enough software developers (2020) by keewee7 on Tuesday June 14, 2022 @09:20AM (#31739028)
I remember reading Indians on r/DevOps who were surprised they were earning more than Germans in DevOps/Ops positions.
Re:We will never have enough software developers (2020) by mathverse on Tuesday June 14, 2022 @10:01AM (#31739630)
Adjusted for costs of living or TCO? IT pays peanuts in Europe.
Re:We will never have enough software developers (2020) by qgin on Tuesday June 14, 2022 @11:21AM (#31740798)
It doesn’t make sense to me why pay is so low in Europe. Is there actually that much less demand relative to supply?
Re:We will never have enough software developers (2020) by mrtksn on Tuesday June 14, 2022 @02:56PM (#31744255)
It's not taxes, the taxes are high but the gross salaries in EU and even in the UK are very low, compared to the USA. You don't have stuff like developer making 200K a year but taking home 50K a year, it's more like making 60K a year and taking home 40K.

IMHO it's the culture and the VC environment. There's simply not that much money around to throw at moonshot projects, therefore you don't have many unicorns that lose a few billion euros a year paying extravagant salaries for talent. Obviously EU is a very rich place but people with money invest their money in stuff that are profitable right away, likely to be profitable in short term because a giant company is behind it or invest in the US companies if they are more adventurous.

Re:We will never have enough software developers (2020) by mathverse on Tuesday June 14, 2022 @02:21PM (#31743665)
Taxes.

You are not getting that much in net salary above certain amount.

Europe is a hellhole if you are a young ambitious individual.

Re:We will never have enough software developers (2020) by ju-st on Tuesday June 14, 2022 @05:03PM (#31746065)
> highest paid software positions in Germany are non-union jobs

How does one identify a well paying non-union employer? Noname companies in almost all cases pay much less than union employers.

Re:We will never have enough software developers (2020) by bluGill on Tuesday June 14, 2022 @05:31PM (#31746342)
This is Germany, not the US, rules are different.

All I know is a lot of great engineers at my company are internationally refusing more pay to non union jobs. I.have no idea if it applies to other companies, or what the benifits are