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Re:Scotland starts renewed case for independence by mantas on Tuesday June 14, 2022 @07:39AM (#31737621)
Since when is dealing with illegal migration under coverage of refugees „far right“?
Re:Scotland starts renewed case for independence by ben_w on Tuesday June 14, 2022 @07:57AM (#31737814)
As I understand it — IANAL — the asylum seekers which the UK is sending to Rwanda, are actually allowed under international law (i.e. treaties the UK has signed) to seek asylum in the UK.

Rwanda in particular is an odd choice if you are genuinely concerned about the well-being of people who are fleeing persecution, given the UK government travel advice for its own citizens.

It is also a very expensive choice (about the cost of giving them free food and accommodation in an average bit of Hull for over 2 years); but even in its own terms, it does not appear to have changed, nor is it likely in the future to change, the minds of the extremely small number of asylum seekers who have not been put off the UK by virtue of it being a damp sheep-filled rock in the North Atlantic where they will be banned by law from seeking employment.

Re:Scotland starts renewed case for independence by mantas on Tuesday June 14, 2022 @08:03AM (#31737883)
It's not expensive if it stops people from faking refugee.

What percentage of asylum seekers in the UK were eligible for asylum?

Re:Scotland starts renewed case for independence by ben_w on Tuesday June 14, 2022 @08:44AM (#31738517)
> eligible

Even using “granted” as a proxy for “eligible”, hard to tell as every source I found contradicts all the others, somewhere between 25 and 75 percent.

However, this isn’t the right question, for two reasons.

First: The number you want to compare against is the people whose minds were changed by the latest policy. Given how few people were seeking asylum in the UK even before this, the maximum is already low.

Second: this policy does not improve the expected accuracy of government judgement regarding the legitimacy of any given claim.

Re:Scotland starts renewed case for independence by scott_w on Tuesday June 14, 2022 @07:42AM (#31737670)
When it’s refugees legally seeking help? This policy has nothing to do with illegal immigration.
Re:Scotland starts renewed case for independence by mantas on Tuesday June 14, 2022 @08:00AM (#31737853)
Because nowadays vast majoritie of „refugees“ are not refugees in a classic sense.

E.g. my country had thousands of „refugees“ hoping over border from Belarus last year. Last time I saw statistics, not even 1% was eligible for „refugee“ status. Even skipping the part that, according to international law, refugee is legit for the first safe country.

Re:Scotland starts renewed case for independence by scott_w on Tuesday June 14, 2022 @08:18AM (#31738088)
That last sentence is completely incorrect and is enough for me to safely disregard everything else you just said on the basis you don’t actually know what you’re talking about.
Re:Scotland starts renewed case for independence by mantas on Tuesday June 14, 2022 @02:51PM (#31744179)
Even if some people try to challenge it and enable refugee shopping, calling it „incorrect“ shows that you don't know much about this topic.
Re:Scotland starts renewed case for independence by scott_w on Tuesday June 14, 2022 @04:18PM (#31745471)
It’s easy to prove me wrong: point me to the relevant lines in the relevant treaties or conventions that state this.

You can’t because they don’t exist. There is no obligation to seek asylum in the “first safe country.” This is a common trope trotted out by right-wing mouthpieces which is where I’m assuming you got the rest of your “facts.”

Re:Scotland starts renewed case for independence by mantas on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @01:42AM (#31749500)
If you cross border illegally and don't ask for asylum, then you're, well, illegally crossing the border.

For EU, there's Dublin agreement.

Re:Scotland starts renewed case for independence by scott_w on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @07:01AM (#31751289)
Quote or reference the lines in the Dublin agreement that state this. Also, point out where IN U.K. LAW the Dublin agreement and these lines apply.

Your first sentence is irrelevant because this applies to refugees claiming asylum.