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Re:Google Suspends Engineer Who Claimed Its AI System Is a P... by foxes on Sunday June 12, 2022 @11:29PM (#31720741)
Degenerated into waffle. There’s no reason to believe that humans are more than some chemistry running on squishy meat. It seems like it would be physically possible to emulate that with silicon and software. There’s are no concrete definitions of sentience, thinking, so I guess you can shift the goal post whenever you want.
Re:Google Suspends Engineer Who Claimed Its AI System Is a P... by kareemsabri on Monday June 13, 2022 @03:31AM (#31722374)
I gave a definition - having a subjective experience aka self-awareness.
Re:Google Suspends Engineer Who Claimed Its AI System Is a P... by foxes on Monday June 13, 2022 @07:02AM (#31723698)
What is that?

Acting on an internal state?

Aware you have an internal state and can adjust it internally? Why cant some code do that?

Re:Google Suspends Engineer Who Claimed Its AI System Is a P... by kareemsabri on Monday June 13, 2022 @07:58AM (#31724198)
You seem to be misunderstanding me. I'm not saying it is prohibited by the laws of the universe for a computer to have sentience. I'm saying there is no good reason to believe that our current computers, no matter how many instructions per second they are able to execute or how sophisticated the programs they run are, are sentient. Saying "why can't a computer do x" is not an argument that a computer does currently do x.

But no, consciousness is not just "acting on an internal state". A toaster acts on an internal state. It is a complex phenomenon in which an internal state, and the environment interact to create an internal state and a subjective experience of that state which is felt by the organism.

This will go down a rabbit hole, and I don't want to engage in a discussion about what consciousness and feelings are, but there is not reason to believe that computers have feelings. And the output of computer language models is not good evidence that they have feelings, particularly those which are trained on the language models of creatures which have feelings (humans). If they were trained on the language of birds, we wouldn't say there's evidence they are afraid of dogs, even if they were to engage in loud chirping when presented with a dog.

Re:Google Suspends Engineer Who Claimed Its AI System Is a P... by slooonz on Monday June 13, 2022 @05:07AM (#31722935)
Can you prove you to us have one ?
Re:Google Suspends Engineer Who Claimed Its AI System Is a P... by kareemsabri on Monday June 13, 2022 @05:52AM (#31723166)
No, but that's irrelevant to the question at hand.