The state finally letting teens sleep in

Re:The state finally letting teens sleep in by bigDinosaur on Sunday June 12, 2022 @09:55PM (#31720139)

Why is it that we can radically transform human society in the first place, but we simply cannot design our cities and schools and work days to just let teenagers sleep in a bit more? There's absolutely nothing immutable here and these are all problems that can be solved. Why can't workdays be vastly more flexible for parents? Why can't public transport be vastly superior to allow teenagers to get to school whenever needed?

These also aren't weird, aspirational goals that have never been done before, there are plenty of places where public transport is good enough even in rural areas so that kids can actually get to school. The areas so sparsely populated that that's impossible are...not the majority, to put it mildly.

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Re:The state finally letting teens sleep in by shreyshnaccount on Sunday June 12, 2022 @10:22PM (#31720300)

Because it's not economically beneficial, or atleast no one's made it economically beneficial yet. Because obviously teenagers wellbeing << money

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Re:The state finally letting teens sleep in by achenet on Monday June 13, 2022 @05:38AM (#31723085)

I disagree with this, I think it's just a force of habit, where outdated industrial era behavioral patterns keep propagating themselves because no one takes the time to rethink them.

There are plenty of companies with flexible working hours, and large open-source programming projects with completely asynchronous workflows.

Now yes, there are some valid reasons for a business, such as a shop or restaurant, to have certain opening hours - for most shops, being open during the day and at similar times to other shops (to increase chances that a customer who comes to buy something from one shop will be drawn into the shop next door) is ideal.

However, there is no valid economic reason that I can discern for the vast majority of businesses and the school system to keep blindly imitating 19th century factories in their work hours.

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Re:The state finally letting teens sleep in by shreyshnaccount on Monday June 13, 2022 @10:15AM (#31725892)

Why does no one take the time? Because they don't get paid for it. The root cause of almost everything is "I made more money that way". I remember reading that Feynman tried to work on an education board, but gave up because of corruption, lobbying and no one really caring about learning outcomes while prescribing books for kids..

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Re:The state finally letting teens sleep in by RHSeeger on Sunday June 12, 2022 @11:25PM (#31720719)

> economically beneficial

In some cases, it's more a concern of economically _viable_. Sometimes, the fact that something would cost more means it's not possible. We have teachers that have to pay for the children's school supplies out of their own pockets, because the school system doesn't get enough money.

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Re:The state finally letting teens sleep in by shreyshnaccount on Monday June 13, 2022 @04:27AM (#31722722)

Which happens because schools don't matter as much to the people in charge as the military-industrial complex, it's a self fulfilling prophecy..

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