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Re:Lilium achieves first main wing transition for all-electr... by nostromo on Sunday June 12, 2022 @03:09PM (#31717302)
They do this already. They're called helicopters.
Re:Lilium achieves first main wing transition for all-electr... by vidarh on Sunday June 12, 2022 @05:17PM (#31718364)
Helicopters are expensive to rent. If Lilium achieves even 10x the cost they've suggested they can reach in the past, they'll be attractive to a customer base who'd never be able to afford regular helicopter rides.
Re:Lilium achieves first main wing transition for all-electr... by ben_w on Sunday June 12, 2022 @03:40PM (#31717562)
On the one hand, yes.

On the other hand, making it cheap enough that mono-millionaires can do it regularly is going to make a big difference compared to the status quo.

Re:Lilium achieves first main wing transition for all-electr... by woodruffw on Sunday June 12, 2022 @05:16PM (#31718355)
I don't know. The idea that a bunch of people with a couple of millions of dollars in wealth can now zip around above my house (and further alienate themselves from civic reality, even more so than cars do) seems like a pretty bad outcome.
Re:Lilium achieves first main wing transition for all-electr... by ghastmaster on Sunday June 12, 2022 @06:44PM (#31718971)
That is essentially how progress begins in every industry. Wealthy people pay for new tech with their vast fortunes, and many times, their lives. Once they work out the kinks and economies of scale take over, the less wealthy enjoy the same tech at higher levels of safety and lower prices.
Re:Lilium achieves first main wing transition for all-electr... by Deritio on Monday June 13, 2022 @05:48AM (#31723143)
Yes exactly! I'm traveling business all the time because it's so cheap.

Ah wait let me rephrase this: while more people can fly now economy got shittier than ever.

Also we live in 2022, the narrative that rich risk there life's was probably never true (they have test personal) and we have enough capital in our society to do certain things without the money of the rich.

Re:Lilium achieves first main wing transition for all-electr... by ghastmaster on Wednesday June 22, 2022 @12:53PM (#31838539)
> Also we live in 2022, the narrative that rich risk there life's was probably never true (they have test personal)...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amelia_Earhart#Childhood

> Earhart was the daughter of Samuel "Edwin" Stanton Earhart (1867–1930) and Amelia "Amy" (née Otis; 1869–1962).[13] She was born in Atchison, Kansas, in the home of her maternal grandfather, Alfred Gideon Otis (1827–1912), who was a former federal judge, the president of the Atchison Savings Bank and a leading citizen in the town. Amelia was the second child of the marriage after an infant was stillborn in August 1896.[14]

She for one, looks to me to have been wealthy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_inventors_killed_by_th...

> and we have enough capital in our society to do certain things without the money of the rich.

Part of the reward for pioneering tech is the taking of the risk and getting the reward while at the end of the day being able to feel a sense of accomplishment having done it largely of your own initiative and cost. The spirit of exploration that existed in early humans, that led to our expansion to the furthest points of the earth, exists today in the form of innovation and invention. While it is enticing of course to create at the behest of government or corporations like was done in Bell Labs or DARPA, there is a severe risk that liabilities and bureaucracy stifle innovation. I cannot imagine a governmental system of incentives that creates an atmosphere quite like the USA had prior to the 1960s that led to innovation, invention, and implementation that we had never seen before, and may never see again.

Re:Lilium achieves first main wing transition for all-electr... by wolverine876 on Sunday June 12, 2022 @09:56PM (#31720143)
I wonder how often that's true, or a myth of uber-capitalism - sort of a trickle-down theory for tech. AFAIK, it's often government that pays for new tech, and then once it has a profitable nitch, corporations.
Re:Lilium achieves first main wing transition for all-electr... by ghastmaster on Wednesday June 22, 2022 @01:07PM (#31838763)
That is true to a large extent today. Sadly, most of the foundations of the tech we have today is based on tech we had developed before governments were involved to level they are today. Cars, trains, engines, CRT, film, computers, telephone, building materials, and much much more, are seemingly only being tweaked. The rapid pace of truly innovative tech has waned. Is this because of government involvement? Is this because our understanding of basic science allowed us to pass some threshold, only to be stymied by the increasing complexity and having to devote more time and material to test the nuances?

Blockchain was supposedly created by a single person. The Federal Reserve Bank of the United States has mentioned creating a digital currency. As they pump more money into that idea and develop some neat tweaks or totally control blockchains, will we look back in 50 years and say, "Look at how much the government did for blockchain." forgetting that it exists in the first place to spite them?

Re:Lilium achieves first main wing transition for all-electr... by wildmanx on Sunday June 12, 2022 @04:06PM (#31717797)
> mono-millionaires

Ah right, moving it from 0.1%-ers to 1%-ers is really going to make a big difference.

Re:Lilium achieves first main wing transition for all-electr... by jxf on Sunday June 12, 2022 @04:30PM (#31717983)
Roughly 10% of Americans are millionaires, for reference (though I doubt all of that is liquid).
Re:Lilium achieves first main wing transition for all-electr... by woodruffw on Sunday June 12, 2022 @05:21PM (#31718399)
Sources online show that about 8% of Americans are millionaires, with a significant bump during COVID (probably because of the stock market.) About 10% of households are.

It's hard to find precise qualifications for how they determine that, though. The households figure doesn't include primary residence value (why?), and the individual statistics don't mention liquidity. I suspect that only a small percent of that 8% actually has $1+ million liquid.

Re:Lilium achieves first main wing transition for all-electr... by idlehand on Sunday June 12, 2022 @05:55PM (#31718661)
Definitely not liquid cash, but assuming that a not insignificant portion of those people are retirees or planning to retire soonish (which is when net worth peaks), I wouldn't be surprised if the percentage of decently liquid assets like stocks and bonds are higher than you might think.
Re:Lilium achieves first main wing transition for all-electr... by wildmanx on Wednesday June 15, 2022 @03:16AM (#31750030)
Alright, the actual figure is $1,2M for the 90-percentile household net worth. For the individual that's to be divided by 3 (since there are about 120M households in the U.S.). We are at the 96-percentile for $3M household net worth.

So yeah, 4%-ers then. Really makes a big difference to my point. This is totally gonna change everybody's life. (I.e. those who can afford it, while the majority is scraping by from paycheck to paycheck.)

Re:Lilium achieves first main wing transition for all-electr... by Deritio on Monday June 13, 2022 @05:49AM (#31723148)
Owning a house doesn't just allow you to fly business all the time
Re:Lilium achieves first main wing transition for all-electr... by edg-l on Sunday June 12, 2022 @05:18PM (#31718374)
Re:Lilium achieves first main wing transition for all-electr... by brrrrrm on Sunday June 12, 2022 @04:15PM (#31717881)
About 10x, right?
Re:Lilium achieves first main wing transition for all-electr... by SideburnsOfDoom on Sunday June 12, 2022 @04:01PM (#31717747)
Well, _electric_ helicopters or electric helicopter-equivalent-vehicles would be a step forwards, correct?
Re:Lilium achieves first main wing transition for all-electr... by staunch on Sunday June 12, 2022 @04:32PM (#31718002)
> They do this already. They're called helicopters.

This is dangerously close to the infamous HN Dropbox critique[1] :-D

And it's likely wrong in the same way.

1. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9224

Re:Lilium achieves first main wing transition for all-electr... by 2muchcoffeeman on Sunday June 12, 2022 @07:48PM (#31719374)
Past performance is not an indicator of future performance?