Re:Lilium achieves first main wing transition for all-electr...
by robonerd on Sunday June 12, 2022 @01:25PM
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> a range of a few 100 km, which is possible with today's batteries.
Not with a meaningful amount of cargo it isn't; look up the electric planes that are actually flying today (and it's certainly not for want of trying, this is a very trendy field.) I can think of only a few niches where very light but expensive cargo needs to go somewhere close-by, but faster than is possible with a truck. Organs for transplant, and rich people.
Re:Lilium achieves first main wing transition for all-electr...
by FullyFunctional on Sunday June 12, 2022 @05:39PM
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The cargo here is humans
Re:Lilium achieves first main wing transition for all-electr...
by robonerd on Sunday June 12, 2022 @06:53PM
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But can you carry enough of them to make the whole thing worth it?
Re:Lilium achieves first main wing transition for all-electr...
by theYipster on Monday June 13, 2022 @01:07AM
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Lilium's quoted range goal is not possible with today's batteries--not by a long shot. This is why in part there is an investor lawsuit agains the company.
The only company touting range achievable with today's battery tech is Archer, and their range, when you factor out reserve and inefficiencies, is about ~40 miles (~65KM.)
You only need giant quantities of kerosene for transoceanic or transcontinental travel. The lilium business model requires a range of a few 100 km, which is possible with today's batteries.
Very long distance air travel is impossible with today's commercially available batteries, but is possible with exotic chemistries (see below) or with hydrogen fuel cells.
> This doesn't jive with what I've read. It's my understanding that we're already near the limits of what electrochemistry can give us, and future advancements are likely to come from improved electrode designs, with maybe 2-3x better performance possible if we're lucky.
There are several battery chemistries such as lithium sulfur or lithium air that have extremely high energy densities. But cycle life remains very low, which makes them uneconomical.
There has been decent progress made in improving cycle life, but it is still too low to be economical. There are military applications where a low cycle life is acceptable.