I think we're far enough removed from the 1660 Stuart Restoration that no one is going to confuse this with the list of regicides of Charles I.

I think that we're not far enough removed from anything to not be mindful of terms that imply that white==good and black==bad.

This is such a misguided train of logic that I can't quite figure out where it's wrong. Like those maths puzzles that prove 1=0.

What do you mean? Personally I'm trying to avoid any terms that imply that black==bad. Black people, just like other groups of people, experience discrimination and abuse and I'm mindful of that. To me it would be the same as naming something christianlist and muslimlist to denote "good" and "bad", maybe that's a better example.

At the end of the day I think my approach is not making the world any worse and possible might even make it infinitesimally better. But you do you, I have no problem with that.

> What do you mean?

It's a wild goose chase. It's The Sapir-Whorf hypothesis and it's garbage.

> Black people, just like other groups of people, experience discrimination and abuse

Sometimes. Other people do sometimes too and it sometimes has nothing to do with their skin colour.

> my approach is not making the world any worse

That's misguided. Maybe focus on making yourself better first before mucking with the rest of the world.

I think the fundamental issue is that you think there is some link between racism and the fact that the word "black" is commonly associated with bad things.

People aren't racist towards black people because of the word black. (You might have noticed that non-black people can be victims of racism too!)

And "black" isn't associated with badness because of racism against black people either.

And it isn't even the black community calling for this. It's white SJWs. Ok I think they probably do have good intentions but they also want low-effort feel-good actions and don't really care what effect they actually have.

It's the "set your profile picture" of racism. The only effect is making people who do it feel like they've done something worthwhile.

> To me it would be the same as naming something christianlist and muslimlist to denote "good" and "bad", maybe that's a better example.

Terrible analogy. There's a fundamental difference between "blacklist" and "darkielist" (for example). Black doesn't just mean "black people". It is also just a colour.

> And it isn't even the black community calling for this. It's white SJWs. Ok I think they probably do have good intentions but they also want low-effort feel-good actions and don't really care what effect they actually have.

> The only effect is making people who do it feel like they've done something worthwhile.

I feel like you're discrediting your point a little bit with this by labeling people with that term and assuming something about what "they" want or think.

this is pedantic as hell. if you are going to be so pedantic, then i ask you: should we be calling black people "black". that is not even close to an accurate description of their skin color.

Except that there are no other interpretations of the words "christian" and "muslim", where it's quite clear you're referring to specific religions.

Black and white are colors. _You_ are making the leap from color to ethnicity.

At the end you claim you "have no problem with that", and yet you're all over this discussion proclaiming the same weak argument. Seems like you have quite a problem with it.

> Black and white are colors. _You_ are making the leap from color to ethnicity.

Except that we're not living in a hypothetical bubble but a world where white and black make many people think of skin color, I feel like it's hard to deny that at least in NA.

>but a world where white and black make many people think of skin color, I feel like it's hard to deny that at least in NA.

Don't project your neurotic racist thoughts onto others. Not everyone is as racist and neurotic as this. You're poorly attempting to gas light everyone into thinking this neurotically. Stop it.

So since chess players aren't a very progressive group, none should strive to be progressive?

;)

Trying to control other people's language makes them resentful and annoyed by the cause, especially when they very obviously have no ill intent. This does in fact make the world a worse place.

If the author is here, please don't.