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Re:Former U.S. congressman, operative pleads guilty to elect... by yakak on Wednesday June 08, 2022 @01:59PM (#31671481)
The risk clearly doesn't fit the crime. A risk of being hung for treason is harder to recruit for.
Re:Former U.S. congressman, operative pleads guilty to elect... by cultartawayyyi on Wednesday June 08, 2022 @02:19PM (#31671802)
"Treason" is one of the few crimes which is defined in the US constitution. It has a fairly narrow definition which does not include election fraud:

>Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

Re:Former U.S. congressman, operative pleads guilty to elect... by unethical_ban on Wednesday June 08, 2022 @02:47PM (#31672194)
The person you are responding to is clearly suggesting their personal belief that election crimes are so antithetical to American values that it constitutes a crime on par with treason.
Re:Former U.S. congressman, operative pleads guilty to elect... by cultartawayyyi on Wednesday June 08, 2022 @04:49PM (#31673880)
Fine, but the system that they're claiming to speak in service of directly contradicts that belief in its foundational charter.

The people commiting this type of fraud make similar mental leaps about the definitions of words like "treason" and "patriotism" to justify their actions. It's not a good road to follow.

Re:Former U.S. congressman, operative pleads guilty to elect... by yakak on Thursday June 09, 2022 @06:30AM (#31679533)
So if the US Republic is thrown over like the Weimar Republic the only question for you is:

Did they not break any laws as defined by the forefathers who wrote the constitution?

I don't really understand this bizarre worshipping of the creation of the US as if it must have been done too well to question. Eternal vigilance is identifying the bugs, talking about them in public and proposing appropriate size patches. Failure to do so is being overthrown by a risk not accounted for by the forefathers, or that they assumed we weren't too stupid to handle.

My suggestion that election fraud by a sworn judge should be dealt with as seriously as treason is in no way the same as someone's secret dialog with co-conspirators to justify undermining all trust in the republic being democratic for their own goals.

Re:Former U.S. congressman, operative pleads guilty to elect... by yakak on Wednesday June 08, 2022 @03:09PM (#31672464)
Yes, though more generally I am interested in the criteria and thought process that takes place in discussions leading to constitutional conventions to build a republic that is self maintaining despite various threats. The US is not Cannon to me, it is one template and we are poking at a flaw in it.
Re:Former U.S. congressman, operative pleads guilty to elect... by ARandomerDude on Wednesday June 08, 2022 @02:29PM (#31671944)
The list of people actually convicted of treason in the US is very short, and a subsequent execution hasn't happened since the mid 1800s.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_convicted_of_tr...

Re:Former U.S. congressman, operative pleads guilty to elect... by mrkstu on Wednesday June 08, 2022 @08:30PM (#31676267)
The Rosenbergs espionage didn’t count as treason?
Re:Former U.S. congressman, operative pleads guilty to elect... by ARandomerDude on Thursday June 09, 2022 @10:41AM (#31681779)
No, they were tried for conspiracy to commit espionage (50 U.S.C. § 32). Although espionage is a morally treasonous act, treason was not the legal crime for which they were prosecuted.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_and_Ethel_Rosenberg#Ros...

Re:Former U.S. congressman, operative pleads guilty to elect... by rootusrootus on Wednesday June 08, 2022 @08:03PM (#31676080)
This is the best argument that there is not widespread fraud. The odds of getting caught are pretty high, the penalties stiff, and the value of a single vote practically zero. Sure, some races are that close, but most are not, so any kind of systemic effort has vastly more risk than it's worth just to get one lowly elected position flipped from an opposing party.