Re:Former U.S. congressman, operative pleads guilty to elect...
by willcipriano on Wednesday June 08, 2022 @03:31PM
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> Oh, and it'll cost you $50 (actual costs vary from state to state). And requiring voters to spend $50 to get an ID that lets them vote is totally not going to be in violation of the 24th Amendment (that bans poll taxes).
That's why all states with voter id laws also have to offer a free "walking" id.
> A final thing I'll bring up is this: to get my photo ID, I basically need to show up to the appropriate state office with something like a birth certificate and something that has my current address. Why is it that showing up to vote with this same information is somehow insufficiently secure to allow me to vote?
Some states let people use student ID's, like the thing the AV club prints in the basement. Birth certificate, social security card and a current bill should be enough in my opinion, but anti voter id folks would go nuts if you said you had to bring all those to vote.
Re:Former U.S. congressman, operative pleads guilty to elect...
by tptacek on Friday June 10, 2022 @02:10AM
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The social security card is one of the hardest bits of ID to get (I've had the pleasure of replacing several, for myself and family members).
Re:Former U.S. congressman, operative pleads guilty to elect...
by kasey_junk on Friday June 10, 2022 @08:10AM
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I replaced 1 this spring and it was literally just a web form.
Re:Former U.S. congressman, operative pleads guilty to elect...
by tptacek on Friday June 10, 2022 @11:08AM
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I replaced one in 2019 and had to make an appointment at the Social Security Office days ahead of a time and wait 2 hours there in person. The web form existed, but I wasn't eligible.
Re:Former U.S. congressman, operative pleads guilty to elect...
by tptacek on Friday June 10, 2022 @02:46PM
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Also? It's an unlaminated paper card (you're not allowed to laminate it), and you theoretically get a limited number of them before they'll stop replacing them. My feeling about social security cards is that you should keep them in a safe deposit box and never on your person. The idea of needing one to vote is ludicrous to me.
It's America's worst card.
Re:Former U.S. congressman, operative pleads guilty to elect...
by kasey_junk on Saturday June 11, 2022 @08:12PM
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The only reason I needed one was to prove my employability in the face of a lapsed passport. I can’t remember the last time I used it for anything and the irs suggests you don’t even need one (ridiculously).
That is to say I agree.
There are several key differences between the US and the EU.
The most notable difference is that there is no national ID card like there is in Europe. This means that what qualifies as a valid ID is up to the states, and they can (and do!) play games with what is valid. For most people, the de facto ID standard is a driver's license, but if you physically can't meet the standards for one, well... maybe you can get a state-issued photo ID. Just show up to your county courthouse between the hours of 11 and 1 on any third Thursday of a month and you can get one [1]. That's easy, right?
Oh, and it'll cost you $50 (actual costs vary from state to state). And requiring voters to spend $50 to get an ID that lets them vote is totally not going to be in violation of the 24th Amendment (that bans poll taxes).
The second aspect that's rather key is the US has a sordid history of using gimmicks to prevent the wrong sort of people from voting. It's not unreasonable to suggest that voter ID laws are intended to be a more modern variant of historical tricks like literacy tests--and a few of them have been struck down because the legislators passing them have admitted that they were intended to prevent people from voting.
A final thing I'll bring up is this: to get my photo ID, I basically need to show up to the appropriate state office with something like a birth certificate and something that has my current address. Why is it that showing up to vote with this same information is somehow insufficiently secure to allow me to vote?
[1] This example is admittedly hyperbole, but there are some states where getting these sorts of cards are rather closer to this difficulty than I'm comfortable with. Especially in areas that were historically barred from voting because they're mostly the wrong sort of the people.