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Re:Ask HN: Tesla is making us move or quit. Would I get seve... by justapassenger on Wednesday June 08, 2022 @12:39PM (#31669964)
$60k+ luxury cars with $12k DLCs aren’t going to change the world. Tesla morphed long time ago from sustainable energy transformation to car manufacturer/AI hype company. Even Musk says their future is in AI/Teslabot/whatever he comes up with next.
Re:Ask HN: Tesla is making us move or quit. Would I get seve... by bhelkey on Wednesday June 08, 2022 @06:55PM (#31675480)
It appears that the cost of Tesla's cheapest car is trending down. The original roadster was 100k in 2008. The cheapest model 3 is currently just under 50K [1].

[1] https://www.tesla.com/model3/design

Re:Ask HN: Tesla is making us move or quit. Would I get seve... by speedgoose on Wednesday June 08, 2022 @12:48PM (#31670112)
Without Tesla we would have not much better than a Nissan Leaf or a Renault Zoe.
Re:Ask HN: Tesla is making us move or quit. Would I get seve... by justapassenger on Wednesday June 08, 2022 @12:51PM (#31670170)
They contributed it it, and likely sped it up, sure. But government regulations were/are much bigger driver of it.
Re:Ask HN: Tesla is making us move or quit. Would I get seve... by ericmay on Wednesday June 08, 2022 @02:45PM (#31672172)
If you're going to take credit from Tesla here on this front and give it to the government, then it's only fair to also mention that government regulations were/are a big driver of fossil fuel subsidies and c02 emissions which is creating a problem.

Personally I don't find this to be super constructive. It's similar in some ways to taking credit away from the founder of a company and saying that a VC firm was a much bigger driver of the company's success.

Re:Ask HN: Tesla is making us move or quit. Would I get seve... by speedgoose on Wednesday June 08, 2022 @12:58PM (#31670290)
I agree but in Norway, most of the government incentives for electric cars were in place 10 to 20 years before the car manufacturers started to sell good electric cars.
Re:Ask HN: Tesla is making us move or quit. Would I get seve... by justapassenger on Wednesday June 08, 2022 @01:04PM (#31670418)
Hard to justify developing totally new types of cars for a country with just 5 million people living it.
Re:Ask HN: Tesla is making us move or quit. Would I get seve... by speedgoose on Wednesday June 08, 2022 @01:16PM (#31670656)
True. Many countries had incentives before the industry reacted to the Tesla model s.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_incentives_for_pl...

Re:Ask HN: Tesla is making us move or quit. Would I get seve... by ahahahahah on Wednesday June 08, 2022 @05:57PM (#31674868)
There's no evidence of that. I could just as easily make the claim that without Tesla we'd have had those cars sooner.
Re:Ask HN: Tesla is making us move or quit. Would I get seve... by halfmatthalfcat on Wednesday June 08, 2022 @12:46PM (#31670074)
Solar, Powerwall, Megapack, Autobidder?
Re:Ask HN: Tesla is making us move or quit. Would I get seve... by justapassenger on Wednesday June 08, 2022 @12:52PM (#31670181)
All of them are either shrinking/stagnant or VC level pitches.
Re:Ask HN: Tesla is making us move or quit. Would I get seve... by halfmatthalfcat on Wednesday June 08, 2022 @01:14PM (#31670620)
Based on? From their quarterly reports, they seem to be headed in the opposite direction (up).
Re:Ask HN: Tesla is making us move or quit. Would I get seve... by justapassenger on Wednesday June 08, 2022 @07:36PM (#31675863)
Tesla’s solar is down almost 4x compared to high of Solarcity.