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Re:Embodiment is indispensable for AGI by heyitsguay on Tuesday June 07, 2022 @05:56PM (#31660545)
"qualia" is the bikeshedding for any discussion on intelligence (biological or artificial). It's an unfalsifiable concept that's much easier to reach to than engaging in the concepts that are actually relevant to modern work in those fields.

Posting this is a bit of trying to hold back the tide, because the dominant threads in HN AI/BI discussions are almost always horribly uninformed, but I'm posting this so that if anyone else who actually does work in those fields is reading this and wondering what on earth is going on, now you know you're not alone!

Re:Embodiment is indispensable for AGI by mrtranscendence on Tuesday June 07, 2022 @06:46PM (#31660940)
Eh? I’m not surprised that AI researchers are not informed about the philosophy of mind, and I doubt that they need to be in order to do their work. But the quale is an important concept and just assuming it doesn’t exist because AI researchers don’t need it is a bit silly.
Re:Embodiment is indispensable for AGI by ShamelessC on Tuesday June 07, 2022 @09:22PM (#31662161)
It's just not relevant. It's an ill-defined measure for something that (all due respect) makes philosophy majors feel like they're participating in something they're unqualified to participate in.
Re:Embodiment is indispensable for AGI by mrtranscendence on Wednesday June 08, 2022 @09:53AM (#31667368)
With similarly all due respect, I'm not sure you know what you're talking about here. Philosophers aren't qualified to pontificate on the nuances of building language models, but they can have plenty to say on consciousness and intelligence. When you ignore them you get ... let's call them funny tweets saying that some large language models might be conscious.
Re:Embodiment is indispensable for AGI by ShamelessC on Saturday June 11, 2022 @03:22PM (#31707392)
Sorry, my prior comment was incredibly rude - must have been in a bad mood but that's no excuse. I agree that outside perspective is valuable (although I would wager that such tweets are more attempts at getting headlines/funding than at being earnest).
Re:Embodiment is indispensable for AGI by Jack000 on Tuesday June 07, 2022 @09:07PM (#31662053)
I agree. You might as well replace the word "qualia" with "soul" and the argument stays exactly the same.