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Re:Carbon dioxide now more than 50% higher than pre-industri... by brohoolio on Monday June 06, 2022 @07:22AM (#31639091)
We solved the ozone hole, we can solve this, it just takes leaders who aren’t bought by existing fossil fuel interests.
Re:Carbon dioxide now more than 50% higher than pre-industri... by oneoff786 on Monday June 06, 2022 @07:33AM (#31639176)
The ozone problem was relatively easy.
Re:Carbon dioxide now more than 50% higher than pre-industri... by throwaway6734 on Monday June 06, 2022 @07:23AM (#31639101)
In the US it's the voters not the leaders.
Re:Carbon dioxide now more than 50% higher than pre-industri... by masklinn on Monday June 06, 2022 @07:29AM (#31639139)
What are you talking about?

An entire party is basically accelerationist, and the other one largely just waffles about.

Re:Carbon dioxide now more than 50% higher than pre-industri... by DFHippie on Monday June 06, 2022 @07:38AM (#31639210)
Imagine you are made one of the politicians in the waffling party. Say you find the politician whose stated preferences most closely match your own. They step down. You take their place. What will you do now to ensure the wafflers stop waffling?

The problem isn't that they choose to waffle, but that their power is on a knife edge when they have any power at all and they disagree about what to do.

Re:Carbon dioxide now more than 50% higher than pre-industri... by aperson_hello on Monday June 06, 2022 @07:39AM (#31639216)
I'd claim one party is accelerating the fire, while the other is secretly stacking firewood next to the fire while also complaining that the other is using it.

That said, human ingenuity and economic forces are starting to stem the global warming tide, despite what governments are doing.

Re:Carbon dioxide now more than 50% higher than pre-industri... by throwaway6734 on Monday June 06, 2022 @10:38AM (#31641079)
Voters want cheap carbon and will vote against anyone that makes prices go up.

Look at the current political situation in the US, it's dominated by the cost of gas and groceries. Nothing else really matters.

Re:Carbon dioxide now more than 50% higher than pre-industri... by DFHippie on Monday June 06, 2022 @07:34AM (#31639181)
Really it's both. The leaders find stories the voters respond to, which gives them power. The leaders find and exploit a flaw in the voters which the voters are happy to expose.

The leaders should speak truth and act in the common interest. The voters should love the truth rather than lies, and should be mature enough to own their mistake rather than seek fairy tales in which their selfishness is good, even heroic.

Also, the voters in the US aren't uniquely bad. It's just that there's a deep cultural fissure in the US which is ripe for exploitation. It's easy to make the voters prefer punishing their neighbors over any other goal.

Re:Carbon dioxide now more than 50% higher than pre-industri... by throwaway290 on Monday June 06, 2022 @07:29AM (#31639138)
Two-party system makes it really tough to vote for the party that can do what you think is right, no? Either party is the enemy and basically the justification for the existence of the other, and as long as they throw back and forth petty issues those who want power and money get to keep it.