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Re:Android Orphans: Visualizing a Sad History of Support by adestefan on Thursday October 27, 2011 @09:05AM (#3162825)
It is the same thing that happens in the PC space. Since Microsoft doesn't make hardware they or third parties must write drivers and support everything that people put out there. Where OS X only needs to support the devices that Apple creates.

The difference is that Windows is such an entrenched platform that the third parties are willing to step up to the plate and write the drivers for the PC. Now the question is if Andriod will ever reach that same point.

Re:Android Orphans: Visualizing a Sad History of Support by gujk on Thursday October 27, 2011 @09:47AM (#3162983)
Android has all the drivers it needs. The real difference is that Android systems are locked down in ways more annoying to circumvent than your average Windows OEM junkware install. It is easy to uninstall junkware on Windows, and to pop in a CD to upgrade or crossgrade the OS.
Re:Android Orphans: Visualizing a Sad History of Support by chollida1 on Thursday October 27, 2011 @10:14AM (#3163118)
> It is easy to uninstall junkware on Windows, and to pop in a CD to upgrade or crossgrade the OS.

Can you enlighten me as to what it means to "crossgrade the OS". Native english speaker and I've never heard the term :)

Re:Android Orphans: Visualizing a Sad History of Support by w0utert on Thursday October 27, 2011 @10:46AM (#3163336)
I'd imagine he means wiping the Windows install and installing some other OS, e.g. Linux, BSD or OSx86 or something. Not really an upgrade or downgrade of the Windows installation the machine shipped with. I think crossgrade is a nice way to put it ;-)
Re:Android Orphans: Visualizing a Sad History of Support by chollida1 on Thursday October 27, 2011 @12:34PM (#3163980)
Ah, I thought it was some weird stripping down thing the kids were doing to windows these days.
Re:Android Orphans: Visualizing a Sad History of Support by rbanffy on Thursday October 27, 2011 @05:04PM (#3165547)
I guess "crossgrade" means installing another equivalent version of Windows. Installing anything other would most probably be an "upgrade".
Re:Android Orphans: Visualizing a Sad History of Support by chollida1 on Thursday October 27, 2011 @05:26PM (#3165630)
:)

I knew who wrote this comment before I read the name.

Re:Android Orphans: Visualizing a Sad History of Support by rbanffy on Thursday October 27, 2011 @10:44PM (#3166747)
You are being unfair. "Anything else" could include newer versions of Windows.
Re:Android Orphans: Visualizing a Sad History of Support by chollida1 on Friday October 28, 2011 @09:36AM (#3168159)
> You are being unfair. "Anything else" could include newer versions of Windows.

Just re-read the posts. I agree. I apologize!

Re:Android Orphans: Visualizing a Sad History of Support by rbanffy on Friday October 28, 2011 @10:01AM (#3168268)
No need to. I was joking ;-)

I'd never consider installing a version of Windows an upgrade ;-) Unless it's installing XP over Vista.

Re:Android Orphans: Visualizing a Sad History of Support by cytzol on Thursday October 27, 2011 @11:28AM (#3163600)
I'm guessing it's the sideways version of upgrade or downgrade: the new OS isn't better or worse, just different.
Re:Android Orphans: Visualizing a Sad History of Support by raganwald on Thursday October 27, 2011 @10:46AM (#3163340)
Linux :-)
Re:Android Orphans: Visualizing a Sad History of Support by chollida1 on Thursday October 27, 2011 @12:43PM (#3164022)
Yes, I feel shame:) In hind site, that's obvious to me now.
Re:Android Orphans: Visualizing a Sad History of Support by Fingel on Thursday October 27, 2011 @11:00AM (#3163423)
I'd argue its just as easy/easier to "crossgrade the OS" (whatever that means) on an android phone as a PC. Step 1: get a .zip from http://www.cyanogenmod.com/ Step 2: Place it on your SD card. Step 3: Reboot phone, hold down the power button, select "install update". Now you have an android device with the latest software, no bloatware, and a host of other awesome features.
Re:Android Orphans: Visualizing a Sad History of Support by there on Thursday October 27, 2011 @12:52PM (#3164083)
i've never seen an android device be able to be upgraded that way, and i work on an android rom.

even on the nexus phones which are arguably the most friendly to installing a custom rom, you have to hook the phone up to a computer, install the android sdk for usb drivers and download a fastboot binary, run "fastboot oem unlock", erase all of your phone's data, then install the custom rom and set everything back up.

on nearly every other phone, the process is much more complicated involving hacks to get around a locked bootloader. i remember doing this on my mytouch 3g and the process involved 2 microsd cards, a hex editor, and a strange website where i had to type in some serial number or something from my phone and download a specially crafted binary for it to put on one of the sd cards.

Re:Android Orphans: Visualizing a Sad History of Support by recoiledsnake on Thursday October 27, 2011 @11:10AM (#3163480)
The problem is that you're relying on a third party which does it in their free time. I am not sure they're up to the level of the Linux kernel or Firefox yet.

And installing stuff on a PC is ingrained into people's psyche, if they can't do it themselves, they get some other folks to do it for them. Upgrading phones? Not so much. My friend never updated her iPhone 4 once. She once used iTunes to transfer songs to it when she bought it and then hated iTunes and didn't listen to music on the phone enough to connect it again. I installed a bunch of apps/games on her phone that she uses/plays, but whenever I see the phone, I see updates to the apps that are never installed from the app store. The other day, 34 apps were pending install on the app store icon!

I know that's unfathomable to us geeks, but that is how much of the general populace is. They wouldn't even know what a ROM means or how to go about finding what's the best one from xda-dev or how or even why they should attempt to install it instead of just using something that "works"(well or not) for now.

Re:Android Orphans: Visualizing a Sad History of Support by vetinari on Thursday October 27, 2011 @12:25PM (#3163930)
That's why this entire topic is a tempest in the teapot. Only us geeks and computer enthusiasts care about firmware updates. In real life, I know many people who are satisfied with their Android 1.6, 2.1 and iOS 3.x.

These people, even if they know that upgrade is available won't bother. The existing device with it's current firmware works for them, so why change it.

Re:Android Orphans: Visualizing a Sad History of Support by WiseWeasel on Thursday October 27, 2011 @12:55PM (#3164103)
There are several significant problems with this that do impact regular people as well:

1) Developers must invest more time and money in order to support a wider range of firmware revisions, as the user base is more fractured. This leads to less app selection for users, and more buggy behavior on apps that are available. If you're an iOS developer, you can focus on just the last major firmware revision and reach 95%+ of the market, or support the last two major firmware revisions and reach 99%+ of the market, whereas on Android, you're forced to support a few more than that, and the populations stuck at each older revision are much more significant. Read the article for Android stats by revision. Here's an article with a bit more detail on the iOS side:

http://www.marco.org/2011/08/13/instapaper-ios-device-and-ve...

2) Performance and security updates are unavailable, making the user experience sub-optimal, and potentially putting users' personal information at risk.

Re:Android Orphans: Visualizing a Sad History of Support by dman on Thursday October 27, 2011 @01:39PM (#3164388)
Are you saying manufacturers should stop supplying updates and security fixes since most people dont bother to install the updates / fixes ?
Re:Android Orphans: Visualizing a Sad History of Support by falling on Thursday October 27, 2011 @12:46PM (#3164049)
Read the whole article. It matters for developers and for the platform. Even if users don't (know they) care.

Users are missing security fixes, developers can't use new features in new versions.

Re:Android Orphans: Visualizing a Sad History of Support by igrekel on Friday October 28, 2011 @09:43AM (#3168198)
Not to mention it is easy to upgrade windows on your PC if you want if the hardware supports it.