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Re:Apple Music is the most buggy and annoying software I use by dash2 on Saturday June 04, 2022 @09:31AM (#31620118)
>These streaming platforms are so bad. We had better software in the 90s and 00s.

You are sitting in a chair in the sky.

I can play any music I want right now for a £10/month fee. In the 90s I was buying CDs with five good songs and five filler for £15. In the 2000s I was finding stuff that I could pirate, downloading it, and playing it on my beige desktop computer because there was no such thing as a smartphone.

Re:Apple Music is the most buggy and annoying software I use by mrweasel on Saturday June 04, 2022 @01:08PM (#31622776)
The software was still better. You're right that we have better, easier and cheaper access to the music we want, but that's unrelated to the software we use to play the music or manage the playlist.

You can still buy music on Apple Music, it's not copy protected if I recall correctly, then play it back in WinAmp. That would currently be the best experience from both eras.

Re:Apple Music is the most buggy and annoying software I use by ymolodtsov on Sunday June 05, 2022 @06:25AM (#31629658)
Software doesn't matter, what matters is the experience. Apple Music simply isn't a great app but everyone can vote with their wallet and switch to something else.

Having music only on your desktop computer and takes space isn't the best experience for the absolute majority of people. But it's good that the ones who want can still do that.

Re:Apple Music is the most buggy and annoying software I use by jzackpete on Saturday June 04, 2022 @10:55AM (#31621024)
If there was music I wanted to listen to, OiNK[1] had it. Had it been allowed to survive, I'm sure it would have evolved into something far better than our current options. I'm willing to pay for music but not a huge fan of songs/albums randomly disappearing from my library due to some licensing decision[2].

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oink%27s_Pink_Palace [2] https://old.reddit.com/r/spotify/comments/5ph69t/why_does_sp...

Re:Apple Music is the most buggy and annoying software I use by mwest217 on Saturday June 04, 2022 @11:49AM (#31621765)
OiNK was succeeded by What.CD, which was succeeded by Redacted.ch. The highly refined catalog of music is still there on the right place.
Re:Apple Music is the most buggy and annoying software I use by achairapart on Saturday June 04, 2022 @01:14PM (#31622855)
How does Redacted.ch work? I can't see any signup forms. Actually, I can't see anything but a login form...
Re:Apple Music is the most buggy and annoying software I use by droopyEyelids on Saturday June 04, 2022 @01:37PM (#31623095)
I dont think this is the right forum to ask how to join piracy groups
Re:Apple Music is the most buggy and annoying software I use by pa7ch on Saturday June 04, 2022 @01:59PM (#31623333)
Anyone rememberLordShaft? I miss those forums
Re:Apple Music is the most buggy and annoying software I use by joecool1029 on Saturday June 04, 2022 @01:34PM (#31623055)
They are strictly interview based, if you want a lower hassle orpheus.network still does invites. Smaller site but they get a good % of their releases from redacted.
Re:Apple Music is the most buggy and annoying software I use by inferiorhuman on Sunday June 05, 2022 @02:51AM (#31628666)
Redacted still has invites.
Re:Apple Music is the most buggy and annoying software I use by buggeryorkshire on Saturday June 04, 2022 @11:17AM (#31621306)
I've never had an experience quite like Oink when it came to catalogue curation and community.
Re:Apple Music is the most buggy and annoying software I use by rchaud on Saturday June 04, 2022 @11:19AM (#31621330)
> In the 90s I was buying CDs with five good songs and five filler for £15.

That is unfortunate. In the early 2000s, I was cleaning up buying used CDs for $1 on Half.com and Amazon.

The whole thing about "1 good song on a 10-song album" is a remnant of Steve Jobs' iPod marketing pitch designed to get people buying songs piecemeal for 99c on iTunes.

Regular people buy music if they want to support the artist. Trying to maximize the number of good songs per dollar spent is a kind of alien calculus that's led us down this path of algorithm-driven one-hit-wonder hell.

Re:Apple Music is the most buggy and annoying software I use by failTide on Saturday June 04, 2022 @12:16PM (#31622133)
> The whole thing about "1 good song on a 10-song album" is a remnant of Steve Jobs' iPod marketing pitch

Yup. I remember people used claim "piracy would ruin the quality of music" - but the truth is, it's these streaming services that are killing the art of the album.

Re:Apple Music is the most buggy and annoying software I use by ambrose2 on Saturday June 04, 2022 @12:51PM (#31622586)
True, but don’t forget that much of the mid-20th century was “single” focused, and the concept of a full cohesive LP only came about in the mid-60’s (there are earlier examples for but think Miles Davis, Bob Dylan, or The Beatles). Meanwhile, most people still consume top-40 style hits from the radio, etc. for decades after.
Re:Apple Music is the most buggy and annoying software I use by dash2 on Saturday June 04, 2022 @01:41PM (#31623145)
I'm a regular person, and I buy music because I want to listen to music.
Re:Apple Music is the most buggy and annoying software I use by jancsika on Saturday June 04, 2022 @02:24PM (#31623605)
> You are sitting in a chair in the sky.

A chair in the sky is great.

But in the 1990s we were travelling without moving through the aggregate of everybody's music collection that they already paid for.

In the 2000s we were using idle bandwidth to move the distribution cost closer to zero than ever before.

In light of that, I wonder if in a decade you'll be praising an uncomfortable sardine can that drags us across the desert with better than 25% departure delays.

Re:Apple Music is the most buggy and annoying software I use by dash2 on Sunday June 05, 2022 @07:08AM (#31629877)
>But in the 1990s we were travelling without moving through the aggregate of everybody's music collection that they already paid for.

It sounds as if you are claiming that because person X already paid for a CD, everybody else connected to them via Napster has a right to listen to that music. If so, I disagree. People complain that Spotify et al. underpay musicians. Piracy pays them zero.

Meanwhile: I pay once for all the music on Spotify; I can listen to stuff like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0T-H-fVlHE0 which was never available pirated; anything I want starts playing within seconds; and it's conveniently provided to me on my phone, along with playlists that regularly find me music and podcasts I like. Which aspect was better in the 2000s?

Re:Apple Music is the most buggy and annoying software I use by matheusmoreira on Saturday June 04, 2022 @10:13AM (#31620543)
> I can play any music I want right now for a £10/month fee.

Any music? Nope. Maybe the popular stuff that plays on the radio.

Re:Apple Music is the most buggy and annoying software I use by MontyCarloHall on Saturday June 04, 2022 @10:33AM (#31620770)
I personally don’t find that to be true. Time for some objective anecdata.

There is a site [0] that ranks how “mainstream” one’s listening habits are based on their last.fm profile.

Punching in my username, I get ranked as 12% mainstream (i.e., only 12% of last.fm users listen to music more obscure than mine). Keep in mind, this is relative to last.fm users, whose musical tastes are probably more obscure than the general population.

Approximately 95% of my lossless library is on Spotify or Apple Music. So I’d say they’re doing a pretty good job maintaining a comprehensive catalog.

[0] https://mainstream.ghan.nl/

Re:Apple Music is the most buggy and annoying software I use by tvararu on Saturday June 04, 2022 @12:03PM (#31621972)
I personally find it to be true.

Apple Music has a feature based on iTunes Match that will take your local files and attempt to match them based on their metadata and audio fingerprint.

The last time I used it, from my (then) ~5000 song library, it matched ~3600. That means that a good third of the music I listen to is not available in the same exact version on streaming services.

I dug into why, and reasons include:

- The LPs were never licensed properly. Such as Exmilitary by Death Grips, which is a bootleg release with copyright issues.

- The artist hasn't signed up for streaming, like it used to be the case with Tool. Or they only stream on one platform and not another. Dr. Dre and Jay-Z come to mind. All three artists I mentioned in this bullet are "really mainstream."

- The version I like is not the streaming release. I like the casette version of Ashes 2 Ashes, Dust 2 Dust by Tommy Wright III, but not the CD reissue.

- The artist is actually too niche. I have quite a few things in my collection from Bandcamp or Soundcloud that don't exist elsewhere.

- The release is "weird." Like the radio stations from the classic GTA games.

Re:Apple Music is the most buggy and annoying software I use by ymolodtsov on Sunday June 05, 2022 @06:29AM (#31629680)
Also, Apple Music allows you to just put any music in there and sync across devices, if you're missing something.

The reason between Apple Music and iTunes Match is that the latter doesn't replace your existing copies with the alternatives it find in its database. AM will gladly do it unless what you have offline is truly unique.

Re:Apple Music is the most buggy and annoying software I use by tyrfing on Saturday June 04, 2022 @11:04AM (#31621131)
That site says I'm at 6%, and I agree 95%+ is accurate. Some particularly obscure stuff is only on YouTube or Bandcamp, that's maybe 3%, another 1-2% is simply unavailable due to various licensing issues, generally odd albums for artists that have most of their content available. If you go way, way down the long tail of 400-youtube-view music from decades ago, most of it won't be available anywhere except YouTube and pirate sites, both with spotty coverage.
Re:Apple Music is the most buggy and annoying software I use by swozey on Saturday June 04, 2022 @11:35AM (#31621549)
I use datpiff for truly obscure/b-sides stuff
Re:Apple Music is the most buggy and annoying software I use by abruzzi on Saturday June 04, 2022 @12:35PM (#31622391)
I don't know how well iTunes tracks with music available on other streaming platforms, but when I imported my library of ~700 CDs to iTunes Match about 40% of my tracks matched, and 60% had to be uploaded, so I suspect that for me there is a lot that isn't on any platform (but is on iTunes match.) Which is why I don't subscribe to any streaming service.
Re:Apple Music is the most buggy and annoying software I use by jghn on Saturday June 04, 2022 @02:39PM (#31623743)
How do you see the match rate? I've been using iTunes Match for years and really prefer it over services like Spotify. But I've always wondered how much of my content wasn't available on the mothership.

EDIT: `Cloud Status` lists this. TIL

Re:Apple Music is the most buggy and annoying software I use by lern_too_spel on Saturday June 04, 2022 @03:55PM (#31624424)
It has none of the songs from Kids Learning Tube. https://music.apple.com/us/artist/kids-learning-tube/9933602...

This is not an obscure artist. They have over 1 million subscribers.

Re:Apple Music is the most buggy and annoying software I use by ghaff on Saturday June 04, 2022 @10:22AM (#31620641)
Oh please. And in the "old days" you couldn't buy just any random indie music in a record store either. Yes, "any" music is obviously an exaggeration for a mainstream music streaming service. I'm guessing I own a few things that aren't on Apple Music or Spotify. But the vast vast majority of music most people in the West listen to is on the streaming services. It certainly isn't just Top 40.
Re:Apple Music is the most buggy and annoying software I use by the_only_law on Saturday June 04, 2022 @11:03AM (#31621120)
I’ll post my playlist and you tell me how much of it you’ve heard on the radio.

Sure, maybe you won’t find that one band from the 90s you loved that played a few shows and only ever recorded anything on tapes that have been obscured over time.

But one of the reasons I use streaming over the radio is because streaming libraries offer 1000x times the diversity of any radio station or chart.

Re:Apple Music is the most buggy and annoying software I use by _kevinspencer on Sunday June 05, 2022 @01:50PM (#31633250)
This isn’t true at all. I’ve been a Spotify user for years and listen to plenty of artists that wouldn’t get played on the radio.
Re:Apple Music is the most buggy and annoying software I use by samtheDamned on Saturday June 04, 2022 @01:13PM (#31622841)
With spotify maybe but for youtube music this is definitely true
Re:Apple Music is the most buggy and annoying software I use by carlivar on Saturday June 04, 2022 @10:56AM (#31621033)
I would give up these modern improvements in return for my attention span.
Re:Apple Music is the most buggy and annoying software I use by lotsofpulp on Saturday June 04, 2022 @11:00AM (#31621081)
What is stopping you?
Re:Apple Music is the most buggy and annoying software I use by carlivar on Saturday June 04, 2022 @11:51AM (#31621799)
Addiction / dopamine
Re:Apple Music is the most buggy and annoying software I use by asiachick on Saturday June 04, 2022 @11:36PM (#31627779)
in the 2000s I was using Rhapsody and being mocked because people thought streaming music was stupid.
Re:Apple Music is the most buggy and annoying software I use by coldtea on Saturday June 04, 2022 @05:38PM (#31625350)
>You are sitting in a chair in the sky.

And it's a worse experience than the chairs in the sky we used to sit in the 50s and 60s...

https://edition.cnn.com/travel/article/vintage-airplane-phot...

>I can play any music I want right now for a £10/month fee.

Which is not that great in itself.

Streaming is for the 5% of the people obsessed with variety over building a relationship with select music (and who does that while claiming its a "false dichotomy"), and casual listening skimmers (the 95%).

Re:Apple Music is the most buggy and annoying software I use by _kevinspencer on Sunday June 05, 2022 @01:55PM (#31633304)
Why is that not great? I’ve been a Spotify user for years. The Discover Weekly, “artist radio, and daily mix playlists allow me to find other bands I’d otherwise overlook. Finding/sharing playlists with others is a joy.
Re:Apple Music is the most buggy and annoying software I use by coldtea on Monday June 06, 2022 @08:45AM (#31639760)
Because it's not about endless consumption of new artists, which soon lose their value in the endless supply of replacements, but about getting in depth with fewer...