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Re:Tesla’s ‘phantom braking’ problem is getting worse by Retric on Friday June 03, 2022 @04:08PM (#31613023)
This comes down to the actual risks. The real question is has it actually caused any accidents?
Re:Tesla’s ‘phantom braking’ problem is getting worse by alpaca128 on Friday June 03, 2022 @04:27PM (#31613225)
With random hard braking the question is not if but when and how often.

I'd say the question is whether we should tolerate cars with what you could call undefined behaviour. Imho we shouldn't.

Re:Tesla’s ‘phantom braking’ problem is getting worse by throwaway894345 on Saturday June 04, 2022 @10:24AM (#31620666)
Why do people think the goal is “perfection” rather than “better than the average driver”? If Autopilot is 10x safer than human drivers, we would have to be stupid not to mandate it much less tolerate it, even if it’s crash rate is non-zero. Human drivers kill 40k people a year in the US alone—that’s almost twice as many people as all homicides combined.
Re:Tesla’s ‘phantom braking’ problem is getting worse by darkwater on Friday June 03, 2022 @05:01PM (#31613566)
So, any data to back this claim?
Re:Tesla’s ‘phantom braking’ problem is getting worse by ec109685 on Friday June 03, 2022 @04:10PM (#31613049)
And has it prevented any?
Re:Tesla’s ‘phantom braking’ problem is getting worse by Retric on Friday June 03, 2022 @04:21PM (#31613161)
While the erratic behavior of Tesla’s autopilot might cause other drivers to be more cautious are them, I don’t think you should count this in Tesla’s favor. Imagine if every self thriving car company started adding code to scare other drivers, that would definitely have unwanted side effects.
Re:Tesla’s ‘phantom braking’ problem is getting worse by throwaway894345 on Saturday June 04, 2022 @10:37AM (#31620823)
Teslas have one crash for every 4.31 million miles driven with autopilot engaged versus one crash per every 480k for non-Tesla drivers, so autopilot is averting almost 90% of all crashes. There’s no evidence at all of any “it scares other drivers into safety” mechanism, which is to be expected because such a mechanism seems absurd on its face.
Re:Tesla’s ‘phantom braking’ problem is getting worse by Retric on Saturday June 04, 2022 @12:11PM (#31622065)
This article is specifically referring to fantom breaking rather than overall performance of the system.

I know I personally have started to stay further from Tesla’s when possible on the road because they behave strangely. But the same applies to other cars which do this odd weaving from side to side within their lanes presumably because of poorly implemented lane keeping systems.

As to accidents rates, Autopilot shouldn’t be compared to overall driving accident rates when it’s not being used in all situations.

Re:Tesla’s ‘phantom braking’ problem is getting worse by ec109685 on Friday June 03, 2022 @04:46PM (#31613407)
No, I mean by having this feature of lane keeping and cruise control saved lived overall.
Re:Tesla’s ‘phantom braking’ problem is getting worse by throwaway894345 on Saturday June 04, 2022 @10:39AM (#31620851)
Probably. Tesla Autopilot gets in about 90% fewer accidents per hundred million miles than US drivers. It would be shocking if this didn’t manifest as lives saved.