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Re:Don't send to Gmail over IPv6 by Avamander on Friday June 03, 2022 @01:25PM (#31611172)
> to Google it's an unsolved problem?

It's an unsolved problem for anyone.

> Why can I identify spam at a glance, with greater than 90% accuracy

I don't think you understand how terrible even 99.998% accuracy is at their scale.

> They probably have the worlds largest and highest paid staff of ML experts, and they resort to auto-flagging based on IP address?

You think they aren't using them for this? IP addresses very likely go into their model as well, when determining something is spam.

> Fix it.

They are and adversaries are breaking them again.

Re:Don't send to Gmail over IPv6 by kingjojo23 on Friday June 03, 2022 @03:39PM (#31612710)
> I don't think you understand how terrible even 99.998% accuracy is at their scale.

What does scale have to do with it, am I missing something? Wouldn’t a spam detection rate of 99.999% mean that only every 100000th spam mail would get through on an account basis, how’s that terrible?

Re:Don't send to Gmail over IPv6 by Avamander on Friday June 03, 2022 @04:48PM (#31613416)
> What does scale have to do with it, am I missing something?

The person I replied to said they can identify spam with 90% accuracy with a glance, my point was that it's abysmal as accuracy. Even orders of magnitude better it'd still be bad.

> Wouldn’t a spam detection rate of 99.999% mean that only every 100000th spam mail would get through on an account basis, how’s that terrible?

I didn't specify if it's per-account or a false positive rate, it's also actually not relevant to the point I'm trying to make.

When you receive billions of letters a month small errors start to matter and they're doing a better job than the person I replied to thinks they do.