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Re:Microsoft Purview: Additional classifiers for Communicati... by colechristensen on Thursday June 02, 2022 @07:21PM (#31601865)
>The demonization of unions is over the most successful cases of propaganda in the last century.

It is possible to see unions as both the source of some and solution to other forms of abuse.

Re:Microsoft Purview: Additional classifiers for Communicati... by marricks on Thursday June 02, 2022 @07:28PM (#31601937)
Why are you saying this? It's what every single corporate pamphlet and forced talk says. No one is saying unions will bring everyone enlightenment and cure cancer.

What people are saying is workers need a say in how the workplace is run and companies spending millions convincing folk otherwise should be forced to stop.

Re:Microsoft Purview: Additional classifiers for Communicati... by colechristensen on Thursday June 02, 2022 @08:30PM (#31602488)
Few people are able to view unions objectively instead of picking a side, a union comes with tradeoffs not universal goods or evils. There are plenty of examples of unions fixing things and plenty examples of them making things worse, your opinion of a union shouldn't be based on keeping score but actually looking at the risks and rewards. Unless an organization is particularly nice, unions make a lot of sense for low skill, high turnover jobs in large corporations; unless a organization is particularly bad, unions don't make sense in high skill professional positions.
Re:Microsoft Purview: Additional classifiers for Communicati... by marricks on Thursday June 02, 2022 @08:59PM (#31602841)
Re:Microsoft Purview: Additional classifiers for Communicati... by version_five on Thursday June 02, 2022 @07:45PM (#31602102)
Yes I wanted to say something very similar. The idea of having an organization that collectively represents my interests against things I oppose (like this) feels good.

Unfortunately unions will not represent my interests in a huge swath of other areas (meritocracy, politics, etc). So choosing a union just trades one set of shitty things for another. For all but unskilled workers, the benefits are basically an illusion imo

Re:Microsoft Purview: Additional classifiers for Communicati... by KyeRussell on Thursday June 02, 2022 @08:09PM (#31602329)
Another case where Americans seem more than willing to ignore the experiences of the rest of the world.

Many workforces in Australia are highly unionised. Unions have been largely effective - even in recent years - at using their collective bargaining power for the good of the worker. Hell, our ruling political party is literally called the Labor party. It has strong union ties and a history of passing pro-worker legislation. Union corruption exists as it exists in all areas where power can be had, but in Australia’s case you’d truly be throwing the baby out with the bathwater by saying “unions are bad!”, even in industries like tech where we’ve never really sought collective bargaining on a large scale, the universal protections ushered in by the union movement benefit all workers here. It sounds like you’ve fallen for the same propaganda as everyone else but you particularly think that you have “smarter” reasons. You don’t.

Re:Microsoft Purview: Additional classifiers for Communicati... by version_five on Thursday June 02, 2022 @08:15PM (#31602385)
Anyone who thinks differently than you is "falling for propaganda". Got it.