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Re:California Drought Update May 2022 [pdf] by tzs on Thursday June 02, 2022 @09:43AM (#31594791)
So you don't raise the price of water for typical households, which is only a small percentage of their budget, and instead raise the price of food, which is generally a much larger percentage of their budget?
Re:California Drought Update May 2022 [pdf] by gruez on Thursday June 02, 2022 @10:29AM (#31595337)
1. you're trying to imply that because food budget is greater than water budget, that raising water prices on farmers will affect households more. This does not make any sense. Only a fraction of the price of food paid by a household is attributable to the price of water, so you can't really conclude that just because households spend more money on food than on water, that increasing water prices on farmers will cost them more.

2. even if that were the case, it's a necessary evil to incentivize lower water use crops. Suppose there were only two types of food, apples and oranges. They both cost around the same right now, but oranges require 10x more water. Raising water prices will raise orange prices, but that's arguably a good thing because it forces consumers to choose more water efficient foods. I don't see how the alternative (ie. continue subsidizing oranges even though they're more costly to society) is any better. Not to mention, you can redistribute the excess earnings back to citizens to make this revenue neutral.

Re:California Drought Update May 2022 [pdf] by JKCalhoun on Thursday June 02, 2022 @09:38PM (#31603185)
I'm not sure there is a better solution though. Perhaps cattle and almonds were not meant to be raised/grown in California.

Tangential example: I understand aluminum recycling plants dot the Columbia river because (hydro-electric) power is cheap. In a similar way, water-dependent agriculture and animal husbandry ought to follow the water.

Re:California Drought Update May 2022 [pdf] by labcomputer on Thursday June 02, 2022 @10:42AM (#31595488)
Oh noes! All the people for whom almond consumption represents a significant amount of their daily calories will have to switch to some pedestrian food! Quelle horror!
Re:California Drought Update May 2022 [pdf] by tzs on Thursday June 02, 2022 @11:00AM (#31595723)
The discussion is not about raising the price of water just for almond growers. It is about raising it for all usage other than typical households. The comment I replied to specifically mentioned cattle ranchers, for example.
Re:California Drought Update May 2022 [pdf] by mrguyorama on Thursday June 02, 2022 @11:37AM (#31596187)
Beef is an immensely inefficient food. I love steak and hamburgers and roasts and all those delicious things but if we ever want to reach sustainability they will cost quite a bit more.