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Re:What good cash-strapped hiring looks like by livinglist on Wednesday June 01, 2022 @04:55AM (#31579568)
but do you lowball them though?
Re:What good cash-strapped hiring looks like by username_my1 on Wednesday June 01, 2022 @05:15AM (#31579660)
no ... we pay market salary ... but we can't pay VC money, every 3 months company retreat, spa ... and we can't pay FANG
Re:What good cash-strapped hiring looks like by amag on Wednesday June 01, 2022 @09:44AM (#31581709)
Personally, company retreats are generally a big turn-off for me. I prefer traveling with my family. And if I have to travel for work, I prefer it to be about the actual work and not about going someplace with the rest of the company to stand in a conference room chanting weird slogans or what not. If the work is interesting, I'd rather keep doing that and if it isn't, a company retreat is _not_ going to help.
Re:What good cash-strapped hiring looks like by throwaway1777 on Wednesday June 01, 2022 @12:55PM (#31584680)
Company retreats have nothing to do with traveling on your own during your pto…

With remote work it’s going to be extremely common for teams to “get together” a couple of times per year in person. This doesn’t seem like a bad thing? It’s fine not to like it but it seems valuable.

Re:What good cash-strapped hiring looks like by amag on Thursday June 02, 2022 @04:50AM (#31592778)
Sure, but they have a lot to do with spending time away from my family. If I'm to spend time away from my family I want that time to feel worth-while. I have yet to go on a company retreat that felt worth it.

The biggest boon to a company retreat has always been to come and see a new place but then I've always wished I could share that experience with my family instead.

Re:What good cash-strapped hiring looks like by 908B64B197 on Wednesday June 01, 2022 @01:32PM (#31585247)
How much?

Have you tried raising more? What went wrong?

Re:What good cash-strapped hiring looks like by murderfs on Wednesday June 01, 2022 @06:39AM (#31580060)
> we can't pay VC money

> we can't pay FANG

So you're not paying market salary.

Re:What good cash-strapped hiring looks like by sokoloff on Wednesday June 01, 2022 @07:24AM (#31580354)
They’re not paying the top of market salary. They are paying a market salary.

People who want the full FAANG experience are welcome to chase/choose that. This article and comment thread is about a hypothesis that there are very good developers who don’t want that full FAANG experience and how employers might meet them at another point on the multi-dimensional frontier defined by (company, interesting problems, pay, colleagues, BS, on-call, work conditions, tech approach, remote, etc.).

Different points in that space have different market rates. The rate to work 3 days/week, full remote, with three other great colleagues on a project personally meaningful to you is different than a 5-day per week job on-site in an open bullpen pushing software to wring more value from a warehouse worker or target ads 0.0001% better.

Re:What good cash-strapped hiring looks like by brabel on Wednesday June 01, 2022 @07:31AM (#31580418)
If you think FANG is market salary you understand neither what the FANG acronym represents (the very top companies in the industry) nor what market salary means (average salaries - NOT what top companies can pay in SF).
Re:What good cash-strapped hiring looks like by compiler-guy on Wednesday June 01, 2022 @12:01PM (#31583889)
It turns out supply and demand are both curves, not points. A "market salary" is the entire graph--and even that is vastly oversimplified.
Re:What good cash-strapped hiring looks like by username_my1 on Wednesday June 01, 2022 @06:57AM (#31580171)
lots of people think that vc money rates are market rates.
Re:What good cash-strapped hiring looks like by mattcwilson on Thursday June 02, 2022 @08:10AM (#31593861)
Do they also think that Lamborghinis are “market cars?”
Re:What good cash-strapped hiring looks like by take_it_not on Thursday June 02, 2022 @02:11AM (#31591934)
that’s not a good question