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Re:Remembering Apple’s Newton, 30 years on by reaperducer on Tuesday May 31, 2022 @07:20PM (#31576111)
Cursive is super, super useful when your writing tool can't withstand repeat impacts against the writing medium -- like a quill -- or if lifting will cause your writing tool to leak against the medium.

Cursive is unrelated to quills and ink. Quills and ink existed for a thousand years before cursive was invented.

Cursive exists to relive the strain of writing a lot. Printing is much harder on the hands that cursive. If cursive hurts when you write, you're doing it wrong. You're supposed to hold the implement very loosely and gently, not like you're holding on for dear life.

the 'r' and 's' look especially inscrutable

The cursive "r" is an "r" with a bit on the right linking to the next letter.

The cursive "s" is an "s" with a bit on the left linking it to the previous letter.

The forms have evolved over the centuries, but they're still there. Even the weird capital F makes sense if you write it enough times. It's an "F" made without lifting the pen.

I went to public school early in life, and so didn't learn cursive. When I joined a private school, everyone was already writing cursive, and I had to catch up. It took me maybe three weeks. I remember getting g and q was hard for me. But people are able to learn new things every day.

Re:Remembering Apple’s Newton, 30 years on by spc476 on Tuesday May 31, 2022 @09:33PM (#31577037)
Modern pens are horrible to write with, you have to press down on the paper to get the ink out, and doing so causes the fingers (or at least, my fingers) to cramp up. I switched to a fountain pen over a year ago, and the difference is night to day. No longer do I have to press down on the paper---the ink just flows out of the pen with no pressure required, and it's now a pleasure to write cursive. I also think my handwriting improved just using a fountain pen.
Re:Remembering Apple’s Newton, 30 years on by troutwine on Tuesday May 31, 2022 @07:41PM (#31576266)
> But people are able to learn new things every day.

I don't think anyone suggested otherwise?

I think the conversation might be slightly hung up on the specific example of a quill (reed stylus, sharpened bird bone, charcoal stick, brush all encourage a flowing character), nor is the only reason to prefer cursive writing to relieve hand strain, although that's true for informal long-form and for some hands and for some alphabets. My general point here is that the medium of writing tends to dictate the common forms of writing and with the common medium now being mechanical -- computer, printer etc -- we're seeing a shift in how people form their characters, if they even form them by hand at all.

Re:Remembering Apple’s Newton, 30 years on by BeFlatXIII on Wednesday June 01, 2022 @09:08AM (#31581278)
I don't think cursive's ergonomic claims hold for lefties, as we have to push the pen instead of smoothly pulling it along. Perhaps if I were writing Arabic, my opinion would be different.
Re:Remembering Apple’s Newton, 30 years on by diablerouge on Wednesday June 01, 2022 @01:47PM (#31585447)
I'm a lefty and have found cursive very comfortable (and I'm also both an underwriter and an overwriter.) Perhaps if you're a sidewriter you get the worse experience of pushing a pen.

I definitely find writing a nicer experience with a pencil, a fountain pen, or a felt-tipped pen - ballpoints require too much pressure to be comfortable.

Re:Remembering Apple’s Newton, 30 years on by anon2020dot00 on Wednesday June 01, 2022 @01:53PM (#31585517)
As a lefty side-writer, I find no challenge with using cursive. Writing in print is also pushing most of the time so I don't understand the claim that lefties has to push more.