Re:Bob Cassette Rewinder: Hacking Detergent DRM
by gambiting on Monday May 30, 2022 @10:36AM
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My new(2 years old) Bosch dishwasher cleans much better than any other dishwasher I used in my life. I'm like 60% sure that the buttons on the front don't actually do anything, because it cleans equally well in all modes, from ECO(50C) to Heavy Load(70C). Yeah the eco mode takes 3 hours by default, but press "Vario Speed" and is done in 1:05h with the exact same result.
Re:Bob Cassette Rewinder: Hacking Detergent DRM
by throwaway09223 on Monday May 30, 2022 @01:49PM
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I have a modern Bosch benchmark washer and it also cleans better than anything I've ever used from past decades. It's also extremely expensive.
I have friends with cheaper dishwashers and they do not clean well at all on eco modes.
Everything's relative.
Re:Bob Cassette Rewinder: Hacking Detergent DRM
by gambiting on Tuesday May 31, 2022 @11:34AM
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Yeah I mean....of course. My sister got a cheap dishwasher couple years ago and it never broke, it just never cleaned properly, we cleaned the filters, all tubing, all the arms, used the dishwasher cleaner several times.....nope, would still leave residue and bits of food on plates, literally regardless of mode. It was basically useless for its main function. It was under warranty but the engineer came out and said yeah, there's nothing wrong with it, it's just not very good. We ended up recycling it and buying the cheapest Bosch Series 2, it's not fancy but at least it works as a dishwasher.
Re:Bob Cassette Rewinder: Hacking Detergent DRM
by maccard on Monday May 30, 2022 @11:41AM
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> Yeah the eco mode takes 3 hours by default, but press "Vario Speed" and is done in 1:05h with the exact same result.
I wonder about people complaining about this - whether it takes 1 hour or 3 hours, are you sitting in your kitchen waiting for the dishwasher to complete? Put it on after a meal and next time you're in the kitchen it will be done...
Re:Bob Cassette Rewinder: Hacking Detergent DRM
by gambiting on Monday May 30, 2022 @11:47AM
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I mean, it's nice to have an option for a quick programme when you have guests over and actually it's good to do a couple loads in a single day. But yes overnight I don't care, it can take 6 hours and I wouldn't mind.
Re:Bob Cassette Rewinder: Hacking Detergent DRM
by edzillion on Monday May 30, 2022 @12:14PM
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Time it to finish when you get up and it will release a lot of warm (humid) air to help you warm up your house
Re:Bob Cassette Rewinder: Hacking Detergent DRM
by gambiting on Monday May 30, 2022 @01:39PM
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It's on a timer anyway because we have cheap electricity from 00:30-04:30, so I just run it alongside all the other appliances within thouse hours(and charge our car too).
Re:Bob Cassette Rewinder: Hacking Detergent DRM
by throwaway09223 on Monday May 30, 2022 @01:54PM
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Honestly my only complaint is that my Bosch dishwasher's beep cannot be disabled. If I start it late, the damn thing wakes me up in the middle of the night.
I've seriously considered taking it apart to remove the buzzer.
Re:Bob Cassette Rewinder: Hacking Detergent DRM
by amluto on Monday May 30, 2022 @05:47PM
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A quick DuckDuckGo search for “bosch dishwasher turn off beep” comes up with some promising results.
Re:Bob Cassette Rewinder: Hacking Detergent DRM
by celticninja on Monday May 30, 2022 @05:49PM
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I cook a large meal for family maybe and bake some desert and then rest of the days build up and it's full. Put it on the 3hr cycle and by the time dinner is finished there is a while new load to go in, which has to sit around until it is complete (still 1.5 hour to go after we finish eating)
Re:Bob Cassette Rewinder: Hacking Detergent DRM
by ClumsyPilot on Monday May 30, 2022 @12:03PM
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> My modern front load washer gets clothes clean. It also doesn’t severely abrade them.
I had rented a place with a washer that ruined all of my clothes. I didn't figure out whats happening untill it was too late
Re:Bob Cassette Rewinder: Hacking Detergent DRM
by Scoundreller on Monday May 30, 2022 @03:34PM
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Yeah, I’ve had front loaders trap a sheet in a seal and then scorch a bunch of stuff when it spun at a bajillion rpm against the 0rpm fabric.
Wash on delicate with Cold water my friends!
Re:Bob Cassette Rewinder: Hacking Detergent DRM
by amluto on Monday May 30, 2022 @05:51PM
(#31564016)
I’ve had a top loader get clothing stuck in regrettable places on the agitator and shred them. I’ve never met a washer that was impossible to misuse.
Re:Bob Cassette Rewinder: Hacking Detergent DRM
by Gigachad on Monday May 30, 2022 @09:42PM
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Dishwashers take longer now because they only run half of the jets at once. Cycling between the top and bottom half. Cleans just as well, uses half the water, takes twice as long.
I can’t say I have ever really cared about the time taken for a dishwasher as it’s set and forget.
My modern front load washer gets clothes clean. It also doesn’t severely abrade them. As I understand it, this combination of features is unavailable in a top-loader. Top-loaders with agitators clean well but damage clothing due to rubbing against the agitator. Top-loaders without agitators don’t clean well.
(Fundamentally, front loading is just a better design. There is no reason to submerge clothes for the whole cycle; to the contrary, one wants the clothes to move relative to the water. With a top loader, the clothes and the water move as a unit and gravity doesn’t help at all except to the extent that it avoids needing a seal on the door. With a front loader, gravity actively assists the process. And, aside from saving water, the fact that less water is used means that less detergent is needed to achieve a given concentration.)
Make fun of modern low-water appliances all you like, but a lot of them are much better than the things they replaced even if you don’t care about water usage.