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Re:Big money, nuclear subsidies, and systemic corruption (2021) by seanmcdirmid on Monday May 30, 2022 @06:25AM (#31557434)
The only advantage nuclear will have over renewables is simply the ability to bring a reliable source of power online that doesn’t require too much land. You can deal most of a country’s needs with a few projects on a few hundred acres.

Compare that with nuclear indirect (aka solar) which requires a lot of space and a lot of projects to scale.

Re:Big money, nuclear subsidies, and systemic corruption (2021) by nagestri on Monday May 30, 2022 @10:46AM (#31559549)
I am pretty sure this is just not reality. I am reading Vaclav Smil and this is not the picture he paints at all.

From reading Smil though I come away with the idea that informed discussion on this matter is basically impossible because the subject is too complicated. People will just talk their prior beliefs.

It is really a bad situation no matter how you look at it.

The discussion needs to be about gigajoules per hectare but I have never read anyone mention that other than Smil. This of course could be my ignorance.

Re:Big money, nuclear subsidies, and systemic corruption (2021) by dane-pgp on Monday May 30, 2022 @12:23PM (#31560597)
> The discussion needs to be about gigajoules per hectare

Remember that for nuclear you have to factor in the size of the potential nuclear exclusion zone, which was 4,143 square km for Chernobyl and up to 807 square km for Fukushima.

https://www.britannica.com/story/nuclear-exclusion-zones

Re:Big money, nuclear subsidies, and systemic corruption (2021) by someguydave on Monday May 30, 2022 @11:05AM (#31559787)
https://withouthotair.com/

The late Prof. MacKay writes in those terms too.

Re:Big money, nuclear subsidies, and systemic corruption (2021) by MezzoDelCammin on Monday May 30, 2022 @09:21AM (#31558674)
True if You presume new constructions to be done on empty (farm)land.

Somewhat less true if You take into account that specifically solar can (and often is) constructed on residential / industrial rooftops.

Re:Big money, nuclear subsidies, and systemic corruption (2021) by seanmcdirmid on Monday May 30, 2022 @05:38PM (#31563906)
You still have to build it out over a large area, even if you can use it for other things or the land doesn’t have any other productive uses.

You’ll never power an aircraft carrier or submarine with it, and even space craft solar collectors pale in power output and longevity to nuclear solutions.

Re:Big money, nuclear subsidies, and systemic corruption (2021) by MezzoDelCammin on Tuesday May 31, 2022 @04:19AM (#31567199)
I don't think anyone here says that nuclear should be completely eradicated. Sure, there are valid use cases.

What I was trying to touch is the argument about land use. I don't want to stereotype, but oftentimes these things are a product of simple "back of the envelope" calculations where someone takes surface of one panel per Watt and tries to calculate how big of an area would You need to replace N nuclear reactors of given power.

Not the first time I saw it. It's a sort of a theme I see in discussions around me with people from STEM over 50 (not saying that's You, it's just where I keep hearing it).

Nuclear made a lot of sense in the 60s-70s, sure. But since maybe 20 years or so the alternatives are getting better / cheaper / generally improving way faster than nuclear currently is. And so is the energy grid. Makes sense to update those arguments then.

Re:Big money, nuclear subsidies, and systemic corruption (2021) by bigfudge on Monday May 30, 2022 @12:26PM (#31560641)
Also onshore wind entirely compatible with most farming. Offshore wind makes land use mostly irrelevant.
Re:Big money, nuclear subsidies, and systemic corruption (2021) by adrianN on Tuesday May 31, 2022 @01:28AM (#31566389)
Space is not an issue really. Even in a densely populated country like Germany we dedicate around 2.4 million hectares for "energy crops", i.e. mostly ethanol and "bio"diesel. If we replaced just those monocultures with solar panels, we'd have covered the majority of Germany's primary energy needs.