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Re:Food security and the coming storm by vkou on Sunday May 29, 2022 @06:29PM (#31553508)
In theory, you are correct.

In practice, hedging for increases in fuel prices means buying something like oil futures.

Which requires you to be at terminal at some port city 6 months down the line to physically collect the oil/gasoline/whatever that you bought. And then store it for the months before you use it.

Re:Food security and the coming storm by colechristensen on Sunday May 29, 2022 @06:52PM (#31553678)
It really doesn’t, you don’t buy fuel on the futures market, you buy it locally from the coop or whatever local purveyor you use for future delivery, hundreds of gallons at a time.

The same for your other inputs, you have contacts to buy them well into the future, you don’t just pay the market rate when you need it.

Re:Food security and the coming storm by WalterBright on Sunday May 29, 2022 @09:36PM (#31554674)
Commodities futures are just like gold based money. The gold itself wasn't traded, it sat locked in a vault somewhere. People traded receipts for the gold. I.e. that's what banknotes literally used to be.
Re:Food security and the coming storm by colechristensen on Sunday May 29, 2022 @09:51PM (#31554756)
Eh, while there is quite a lot of speculation-only trading, unless you're dealing with cash-settled futures, if you forget to close out your position you'll be expected to, say, deliver or take delivery on 5000 bushels of corn.

Commodities futures are heavily used to arrange actual exchange of goods and aren't abstractions but real contracts.

Re:Food security and the coming storm by simtel20 on Sunday May 29, 2022 @10:28PM (#31554947)
That is true right up until the day the contract comes due. Then you need to pick up your oil, pork, OJ, etc. at the time and place specified in the contract. If you holds the contract at that point in time, you are responsible for picking it up at the place in space.
Re:Food security and the coming storm by rfrey on Monday May 30, 2022 @12:13AM (#31555413)
Why? Wouldn't a farmer just buy the futures contract (or an option on it), then liquidate and use the profit to offset the loss on the spot purchase? I was under the impression that hedgers never take delivery.
Re:Food security and the coming storm by vkou on Monday May 30, 2022 @04:42PM (#31563423)
Hedges who sit in an office at Wall street never take delivery.

If you're a person who actually needs the future, you need to take delivery. This makes sense on an industrial mega-farm scale, but doesn't make sense at the private-farm scale.

Re:Food security and the coming storm by gruez on Sunday May 29, 2022 @08:07PM (#31554149)
Why can't you buy cash settled futures and/or liquidate before due for delivery?