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Re:Google has banned the training of deepfakes in Colab by fartcannon on Saturday May 28, 2022 @12:14PM (#31541470)
They do all the harvesting. Everything they can. Every morsel of data they can get, they get.

Same thing Microsoft does with Windows, github and VSCode.

Just hoovering up all the ideas you have.

Re:Google has banned the training of deepfakes in Colab by endisneigh on Saturday May 28, 2022 @12:14PM (#31541472)
if you can prove this you can make a lot of money
Re:Google has banned the training of deepfakes in Colab by fartcannon on Monday May 30, 2022 @12:36AM (#31555520)
I'd rather just warn everyone not to use their spyware.
Re:Google has banned the training of deepfakes in Colab by fartcannon on Saturday May 28, 2022 @12:15PM (#31541479)
Oh yeah, how?
Re:Google has banned the training of deepfakes in Colab by endisneigh on Saturday May 28, 2022 @12:17PM (#31541504)
Class action, violation of the Terms and Conditions.

I'd honestly be shocked if Google/Microsoft are monitoring the clients of their public cloud and keeping the data to create their own products off of.

Re:Google has banned the training of deepfakes in Colab by Spooky23 on Saturday May 28, 2022 @02:15PM (#31542459)
They’d need to be very careful in doing so, as they both operate services that are certified and audited to meet US Gov FedRAMP High control standards, and doing that would violate several audited control standards.

A breach in that area would cost them potentially billions in losses.

Re:Google has banned the training of deepfakes in Colab by onesmalldrop on Saturday May 28, 2022 @03:06PM (#31542813)
Public clouds are separated from their gov versions, with gov versions using older, modified versions of what everyone else uses. public clouds ARE NOT fedramp compliant
Re:Google has banned the training of deepfakes in Colab by rrdharan on Saturday May 28, 2022 @05:38PM (#31544107)
This is not true. Google Cloud ‘s FedRAMP offering uses the same regions, zones and binaries and configurations as the regular public cloud offering.

Source: I work on FedRAMP compliance for GCP Databases.

Re:Google has banned the training of deepfakes in Colab by my123 on Saturday May 28, 2022 @07:16PM (#31544701)
For reference, this is also the same case for AWS: https://aws.amazon.com/compliance/services-in-scope/

AWS US East-West (Northern Virginia, Ohio, Oregon, Northern California) is FedRAMP compliant at moderate impact level.

Re:Google has banned the training of deepfakes in Colab by Spooky23 on Saturday May 28, 2022 @03:25PM (#31542967)
Not necessarily. Lots and lots of .gov operates in commercial clouds. Google doesn’t even have a distinct offering - just support add-ons for things like CJIS compliance. Microsoft’s footprint is a lot more complex.

Outside of the DoD space, the main distinctions between these offerings is where data can be stored and where and to what level of vetting vendor employees are.

Re:Google has banned the training of deepfakes in Colab by willcipriano on Saturday May 28, 2022 @12:26PM (#31541586)
The terms and conditions almost certainly bind you to arbitration so no class action.
Re:Google has banned the training of deepfakes in Colab by andrewnicolalde on Saturday May 28, 2022 @02:01PM (#31542368)
What about Europe?
Re:Google has banned the training of deepfakes in Colab by Datenstrom on Saturday May 28, 2022 @12:32PM (#31541638)
I'd be shocked if they weren't, it seems like a totally standard big corp playbook move. It would be the same exact thing Amazon was doing with their independent seller data[1].

[1]: https://www.wsj.com/articles/amazon-scooped-up-data-from-its...

Re:Google has banned the training of deepfakes in Colab by endisneigh on Saturday May 28, 2022 @12:48PM (#31541775)
that's not the same thing, since it's public info.
Re:Google has banned the training of deepfakes in Colab by fartcannon on Saturday May 28, 2022 @12:22PM (#31541543)
Prepare to be shocked.
Re:Google has banned the training of deepfakes in Colab by endisneigh on Saturday May 28, 2022 @12:23PM (#31541560)
proof?
Re:Google has banned the training of deepfakes in Colab by fartcannon on Saturday May 28, 2022 @12:38PM (#31541678)
The existence of copilot, for one.
Re:Google has banned the training of deepfakes in Colab by endisneigh on Saturday May 28, 2022 @12:47PM (#31541767)
that's not proof, lol. That uses publicly available code. are you suggesting it's trained on private code? not to mention I was talking about cloud workloads since you said everything
Re:Google has banned the training of deepfakes in Colab by fartcannon on Saturday May 28, 2022 @01:05PM (#31541924)
Nobody said anything about private or public. What was said was 'everything they can get their hands on'. Thou doth protest too much.
Re:Google has banned the training of deepfakes in Colab by loo on Saturday May 28, 2022 @01:20PM (#31542037)
That includes private data. Thou critical thinkest too little.
Re:Google has banned the training of deepfakes in Colab by schoen on Saturday May 28, 2022 @02:08PM (#31542414)
I think you want "thinkest" (2nd person) rather than "thinketh" (3rd person).

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/thinkest

Re:Google has banned the training of deepfakes in Colab by loo on Saturday May 28, 2022 @02:20PM (#31542500)
Thanks. Edited.
Re:Google has banned the training of deepfakes in Colab by endisneigh on Saturday May 28, 2022 @01:09PM (#31541948)
everything they can get their hands on includes both private and public data?

they have access to the private data, by definition. the entire point is that it's not exposed nor is it used. clearly you've never worked at one of the companies in question lol. when you're on-call you might need to actually access private data.

true data sovereignty products are something countries in the EU are wanting USA companies to implement though, so then it's simply inaccessible, not public or private.

the industry is moving in this direction with things like AWS Outposts

Re:Google has banned the training of deepfakes in Colab by filoleg on Saturday May 28, 2022 @04:19PM (#31543433)
> when you're on-call you might need to actually access private data.

When I was on-call and had to dive deep to solve customers' issues at one of those companies, we could only access anonymized data stripped of all PII (including emails and even IP addresses), to the point where the only non-scrambled things we could get were timestamps and error stacktraces/executed commands (which were also stripped of all PII, which made debugging a bit more difficult).

And every instance of access to that anonymized no-PII data required a physical authenticator, and it would automatically send an email to your manager (and some mailing group, i forgot) and create a special log that indicated "such and such was trying to access this anonymized ABC data for XYZ stated purpose".

Re:Google has banned the training of deepfakes in Colab by fartcannon on Saturday May 28, 2022 @02:39PM (#31542622)
Google needs to spend more on PR I think.
Re:Google has banned the training of deepfakes in Colab by Terry_Roll on Saturday May 28, 2022 @12:26PM (#31541587)
Get real, you obviously dont know how organised crime works.
Re:Google has banned the training of deepfakes in Colab by endisneigh on Saturday May 28, 2022 @12:30PM (#31541624)
You have proof of these incredible claims - seems crazy to think Google/Microsoft are stealing private data? I know some folks at the NYT if you can provide credible evidence.
Re:Google has banned the training of deepfakes in Colab by Terry_Roll on Saturday May 28, 2022 @04:06PM (#31543309)
Nah the house has been entered without permission hard drives wiped, been shot at, few attempts on my life, threatened countless times, you obviously live in lala land! You dont run a country by being nice you know!
Re:Google has banned the training of deepfakes in Colab by fartcannon on Saturday May 28, 2022 @02:40PM (#31542626)
Who do you know at NYT?
Re:Google has banned the training of deepfakes in Colab by bee_rider on Saturday May 28, 2022 @08:04PM (#31544981)
I know someone who knows some folks there (nobody well known, just professional contacts in IT). But I don't think it actually is all that useful (or impressive, six degrees to Kevin Bacon, right?) anyway, if somebody has actual credible tips that could lead to a big story, they should just go to

https://www.nytimes.com/tips

and contact them through Signal or whatever.

Re:Google has banned the training of deepfakes in Colab by Terry_Roll on Saturday May 28, 2022 @10:16PM (#31545666)
I'm sure you have heard the phrase, "accidents happen"? You need to stop having the wool pulled over your eyes, its so naive.
Re:Google has banned the training of deepfakes in Colab by bee_rider on Saturday May 28, 2022 @10:53PM (#31545881)
Good point -- I should stop being so naive and put more faith in the conspiracy theories of strangers from the internet.
Re:Google has banned the training of deepfakes in Colab by Terry_Roll on Sunday May 29, 2022 @07:48AM (#31548378)
A valid debating technique is to introduce doubt. Cognitive Dissonance is a powerful psychological tool.

Read this and learn! The Gentleperson's Guide To Forum Spies (spooks, feds, etc.) https://cryptome.org/2012/07/gent-forum-spies.htm

Re:Google has banned the training of deepfakes in Colab by fartcannon on Sunday May 29, 2022 @03:27PM (#31552054)
Hey, nice link and thanks for being supportive of reality. I think HN should, by default, assume all posters that are PRO megacorps/governments/rich - any person or group that could afford to hire shills - are paid shills. Change the color of their names or something. That way, they need to prove that what they're saying is actually valuable and not just shilling, instead of the way it currently runs where PR is trusted by default.

What's the harm in that, you know? The worst that would happen is that corporations would have a hard time astroturfing. The best that would happen is there'd be less PR.

Re:Google has banned the training of deepfakes in Colab by bee_rider on Sunday May 29, 2022 @09:51PM (#31554760)
I don't think aiming to just introduce doubt is a valid debate technique. It is a good way to disrupt productive conversation and ruin debate, though. You've linked to a website about, essentially, derailing discussions. You should stop using those as advice on how to make arguments. Throwing around evidence-less accusations just adds to the confusion, and bad actors are better at exploiting confusion than honest people.
Re:Google has banned the training of deepfakes in Colab by Terry_Roll on Tuesday May 31, 2022 @07:47AM (#31568438)
Well you used to be able to use Google to find all the websites that the 5 eyes were seeding conversations on!

All you had to do was copy one of the opening paragraphs from a thread on a forum website like dosbods.co.uk or housepricecrash.co.uk and then paste it into Google and then you could see the exact same starting conversations, word for word taking place on a variety of websites, like pistonheads, mumsnet and others. The press help elevate websites like mumsnet to help with the "consensus cracking" aka psychological manipulation.

Different avatars, but the conversations always started off word for word identical because invariably non spooky sock puppets ie members of the public would join in the conversation so then it would deviate off. This is one of the methods to phish people.

The spooks were on house price crash because they wanted to know why people on there were hoping for a crash. The reason being is maslow's heirachy of needs, suggests shelter is one of the basic needs, so mortgages are a way of controlling people en-masse which we have seen since the late 90's with property prices going through the roof and endless hours of property porn on tv. Northern Rock 125% mortgages showed people would over extend themselves for the idea that on paper they were rich and gambling on capital appreciation without realising tax rules may change in the future. Its one of the many many ways the so called free press have played their part in manipulating and controlling the public, along with the banks lending without caution etc etc, but this is the beuaty of the hierarchical structure of control, beit employment or other entities which control everyone's lives.

I've actually met former head of MI5 Andrew Parker, in Bishop's Stortford, but I didnt know him, I only recognised him when he did a speech on terrorism some years later that was broadcast on the BBC 6 o clock news. What was interesting is he used his real life accent when talking to me, but used the BBC Received Pronunciation when doing the speech on Terrorism. I also met James Brokenshire MP then Tory housing minister, with Dame Stella Rimmington & Baron Jonathan Evans at the pump house at Wastwater, Scafell Pike, the day after Theresa May called the election! It was their way of telling me they were operating on Housepricecrash.co.uk. Why else would they drag the govt housing minister up to Scafell Pike when he was supposed to be off getting lung cancer treatment!?!

Its the spooks job to protect the economy, so phishing people looking for a housing crash is one remit, however they didnt realise they were giving themselves away in more ways than one! I'm always reminded the smallest of viruses can kill the largest of hosts! ROFL

Re:Google has banned the training of deepfakes in Colab by amusedcyclist on Saturday May 28, 2022 @03:00PM (#31542771)
Your ideas aren't worth that much to be honest