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Re:Ask HN: Why XMPP failed and SMTP didn't? by mike_hearn on Thursday May 26, 2022 @03:06PM (#31522200)
Not really. Google killed XMPP federation because virtually nothing used it except spammers, who were becoming a big problem.

Controlling spam inside a closed network is drastically easier than controlling spam in an open network, because in a closed network you have lots of ways to make bans stick, whereas in an open network you really can't. Faced with the choice of building a massive Gmail style heuristic spam filter in which basically all the messages it was processing would be spam, or, just turning off federation, they went for the latter. It was probably the right call. Very few people even noticed, let alone cared. The idea of an SMTP-style global network of federated chat servers was dead by that point.

Re:Ask HN: Why XMPP failed and SMTP didn't? by AshamedCaptain on Thursday May 26, 2022 @05:16PM (#31523461)
That's manipulation of history. XMPP federation was actually still working on the Google Talk servers even as recently as a couple years ago. However, Google outright refused to update their XMPP server capabilities. I am not talking about refusing to implement the latest XEPs (which they don't), I am talking that they didn't even bother to implement SSL! https://xmpp.org/2015/03/no-its-not-the-end-of-xmpp-for-goog...

Google was kicked by the other servers out of federation due to their abandonment way before Google turned it off. And it was always flacky to begin with, specially since they also started dropping 3rd party clients (and for that you can't blame spam...).

And even if one argues that Google ignored federation because of spam and/or low usage, OP's claim that they did that "for their own advantage, making the world poorer" would still be valid.

Re:Ask HN: Why XMPP failed and SMTP didn't? by MattJ100 on Thursday May 26, 2022 @03:49PM (#31522614)
They killed it mainly because there was a dictate to unify around the emerging Google+ (I'm pretty sure there is a public source for this, but I fail to find it right now, otherwise I would link it here).

I'm not saying they didn't have spam problems, but that's the kind of thing they certainly had resources to solve. They already had such systems due to Gmail, and even independent XMPP operators have a pretty good handle on XMPP spam these days without even a fraction of the resources available to Google. It was more a matter of priorities du jour for the company.

Re:Ask HN: Why XMPP failed and SMTP didn't? by mike_hearn on Friday May 27, 2022 @04:51AM (#31527429)
Well, I was there at the time and this is what I remember. The Gmail spam filter is very email specific, it's not like you could just point it at a stream of chat messages and get good results.

Independent XMPP operators don't have anywhere near the spam problems Google has/had. They're just far less appealing targets.