Evidence and strategies for alcohol control as crime control

Re:Evidence and strategies for alcohol control as crime control by pjc50 on Thursday May 26, 2022 @09:51AM (#31518320)

That's a coercive form of control, whereas affordable housing and job opportunities are not in and of themselves. However, some jurisdictions can make them coercive by making them an opportunity people cannot refuse without legal consequences.

(Both this and my previous post should be regarded as descriptive not normative, that is a statement of how things can most coherently be described rather than how they ought to be)

Anti-homeless spikes are control. Unsleepable bench designs are control. Heck, even a sign can be control.

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Re:Evidence and strategies for alcohol control as crime control by foxhill on Thursday May 26, 2022 @10:28AM (#31518738)

right, that’s basically my point: i think we can draw a distinction between a coercive control here (i.e. forcing someone to do something they otherwise wouldn’t want to do), and an incentive/root issue correction (i.e. encouragement/elimination of need).

to suggest that both approaches are basically same because the end result is the same, would be like saying all discussion is manipulation.

put bluntly, if people commit crime we could end all crime by killing all people. clearly this is worse than any suggestion thus far :)

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