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Re:Mental illness, mass shootings, and the politics of Ameri... by DeathArrow on Thursday May 26, 2022 @02:36AM (#31515362)
Before fire arms being invented people took other's lives with knives, swords or clubs. Or poison. Or bare hands. What makes you think that not owning a gun will make people less murderous?
Re:Mental illness, mass shootings, and the politics of Ameri... by bspammer on Thursday May 26, 2022 @04:24AM (#31515992)
Every other developed country on the planet not having this problem is a pretty big hint.
Re:Mental illness, mass shootings, and the politics of Ameri... by axiomsEnd on Thursday May 26, 2022 @08:49AM (#31517671)
The problem is that USA is already full of unlicensed guns and very specific gun ownership culture. In countries with relatively easy access to guns and low number of similar (Czech Republic comes to mind), gun ownership and it's culture were build on diffrent foundation, so you can't just copy this solutions to USA.
Re:Mental illness, mass shootings, and the politics of Ameri... by morbicer on Friday May 27, 2022 @10:01AM (#31529743)
In Czech Republic you need an exception to buy something like AR-15, however the exception is quite easy to get. Long weapons magazines are limited to 10 rounds.

But most importantly, in order to buy a gun you need to get a license. This means medical check, passing a theory test, passing a psychological test and passing a practical test at the shooting range. It's not trivial at all.

The culture is completely different to US. Everyone is keeping their weapons in a safe. No bedside tables, car glove boxes or other nonsense. I've never heard of a child taking their parents' gun.

Re:Mental illness, mass shootings, and the politics of Ameri... by slothtrop on Thursday May 26, 2022 @10:40AM (#31518889)
Granted, but culture changes, and in fact even if you were to focus exclusively on the mental health angle, you would have to leverage changing culture to make an impact grand enough.

Qua guns, teenagers in other countries don't have easy access to concealable firearms. Dad doesn't have one, and you can't waltz into a store around the block to get one.

Re:Mental illness, mass shootings, and the politics of Ameri... by renaudg on Friday May 27, 2022 @01:03PM (#31531942)
> The problem is that USA is already full of unlicensed guns

The Uvalde shooter purchased his weapon a few days prior. Most school shooters do. Anything making that harder helps.

Re:Mental illness, mass shootings, and the politics of Ameri... by bruce511 on Thursday May 26, 2022 @02:41AM (#31515391)
It's an issue of volume. It's hard for an 18 year old to kill 20 people with their bard hands, or even knives, without being subdued.
Re:Mental illness, mass shootings, and the politics of Ameri... by rjbwork on Thursday May 26, 2022 @05:26AM (#31516316)
20? Yeah, maybe. A bunch though? Not particularly.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_attacks_in_China

Re:Mental illness, mass shootings, and the politics of Ameri... by refurb on Thursday May 26, 2022 @09:00AM (#31517781)
No, not really that hard. Guy killed 11 woman with a car only 4 years ago in Toronto.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toronto_van_attack

Re:Mental illness, mass shootings, and the politics of Ameri... by slothtrop on Thursday May 26, 2022 @09:10AM (#31517879)
Notice this was vehicular homicide and not murder of children in their schools. That's what bothers people most.
Re:Mental illness, mass shootings, and the politics of Ameri... by zbobet2012 on Thursday May 26, 2022 @11:02AM (#31519189)
No, it's not. Arson is the historically most common method of mass murder and is actually deadlier.
Re:Mental illness, mass shootings, and the politics of Ameri... by slothtrop on Thursday May 26, 2022 @10:42AM (#31518921)
Volume, AND cowardice. These murderers find guns empowering for a reason. Most would not try to use their own strength to overwhelm other people.
Re:Mental illness, mass shootings, and the politics of Ameri... by LoveGracePeace on Sunday May 29, 2022 @11:37AM (#31549968)
Re:Mental illness, mass shootings, and the politics of Ameri... by hycaria on Thursday May 26, 2022 @02:58AM (#31515486)
The murder rate in other countries that do not have this gun legislation?
Re:Mental illness, mass shootings, and the politics of Ameri... by shreyshnaccount on Thursday May 26, 2022 @08:16AM (#31517381)
Their argument is gonna be that people will find other ways to kill. Maybe invest in a system that makes people less likely to murder an innocent croud? Wonder what could do that... Better education? Better mental health facilities? Lesser access to the easy people kill machine?
Re:Mental illness, mass shootings, and the politics of Ameri... by LoveGracePeace on Sunday May 29, 2022 @11:37AM (#31549979)
Re:Mental illness, mass shootings, and the politics of Ameri... by BobbyJo on Thursday May 26, 2022 @08:33AM (#31517520)
> easy people kill machine

cars?

Re:Mental illness, mass shootings, and the politics of Ameri... by tanmay7270 on Thursday May 26, 2022 @08:49AM (#31517666)
Cars are not intended to kill people, it's an unintended side effect of an otherwise useful machine without which it's pretty hard to imagine modern life.

Guns are exclusively designed to take lives. Would be useless without their ability to effectively kill things, and most humans outside of America don't think it's important for civilians to be armed.

Re:Mental illness, mass shootings, and the politics of Ameri... by BobbyJo on Thursday May 26, 2022 @12:23PM (#31520272)
> Cars are not intended to kill people

And guns aren't intended to kill children in the halls of an elementary school, but here we are. Intended use isn't a relevant part of the conversation, it's cost/benefit. We pay a cost, we get a benefit. Cars cost lives. Legal guns cost lives. Vending machines cost lives. If 10,000 people a year died from vending machines, we'd be having the same conversation as we are with guns, even if their intended use is handing out snacks

We as a society need to decide where our line is with all of these things. Just because someone has a different line than you doesn't mean they are devaluing the cost, they may just place greater value on the benefit.

> most humans outside of America don't think it's important for civilians to be armed

Most people outside of America think strict religious laws are a good idea. So what?

Re:Mental illness, mass shootings, and the politics of Ameri... by shreyshnaccount on Thursday May 26, 2022 @02:58PM (#31522122)
What most people outside America are you talking about?
Re:Mental illness, mass shootings, and the politics of Ameri... by BobbyJo on Thursday May 26, 2022 @09:19PM (#31525145)
https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/wp-content/uploads/site...

Most of the rest of the world live in pretty restrictive societies on a large number of axis.

Re:Mental illness, mass shootings, and the politics of Ameri... by refurb on Thursday May 26, 2022 @08:57AM (#31517747)
No, guns aren’t exclusively designed to kill.

I stop reading after that ridiculous statement.

Re:Mental illness, mass shootings, and the politics of Ameri... by NateEag on Thursday May 26, 2022 @10:37AM (#31518854)
> No, guns aren’t exclusively designed to kill.

Um...

I know you can shoot targets with them, but that doesn't seem like the principal use.

What else do you think a gun is designed to do, beyond killing things?

Re:Mental illness, mass shootings, and the politics of Ameri... by refurb on Thursday May 26, 2022 @09:03PM (#31525053)
Recreational shooting clearly.

The guns the biathletes use in the Winter Olympics aren’t “meant to kill”.

Re:Mental illness, mass shootings, and the politics of Ameri... by NateEag on Friday May 27, 2022 @01:17PM (#31532128)
They may not be meant to kill, but they are clearly designed to kill.

They have the same essential design as most low-caliber rifles that are explicitly designed for hunting - i.e., designed for killing.

That design came from centuries of seeking more efficient, efficacious ways to kill with guns.

Sure, they're tweaked to be optimal for very formalized, competitive shooting, not military combat, but they'd still serve very well for executions, sniping, and the like.

See also biathlon's roots in military training: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biathlon#History

Re:Mental illness, mass shootings, and the politics of Ameri... by slothtrop on Thursday May 26, 2022 @10:43AM (#31518932)
> No, guns aren’t exclusively designed to kill.

That is their entire purpose.

Re:Mental illness, mass shootings, and the politics of Ameri... by renaudg on Friday May 27, 2022 @01:04PM (#31531963)
What are automatic weapons designed for ?