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Re:Mental illness, mass shootings, and the politics of Ameri... by robofanatic on Wednesday May 25, 2022 @10:35PM (#31513658)
> If the end goal is to stop people dying by firearm, then fair enough

we are not talking about 1 or 2 people dying here, these are dozens of helpless lives gone in a matter of minutes!!

Those maniacs (first Sandy hook and now Rob elementary) wouldn't be able to kill dozens of innocent kids so easily if they didn't have access to firearm.

Re:Mental illness, mass shootings, and the politics of Ameri... by robswc on Wednesday May 25, 2022 @11:47PM (#31514249)
>wouldn't be able to kill dozens of innocent kids so easily if they didn't have access to firearm

There are much more destructive and arguably easier ways to kill _more_ people. Someone that is more than willing to march into an elementary school and take the lives of innocent children wouldn't just stop their plan to do such a thing because they can't get access to a gun. They'll go down to their local uhaul or start a fire.

Re:Mental illness, mass shootings, and the politics of Ameri... by jjeaff on Thursday May 26, 2022 @12:48AM (#31514701)
Neither of those would stand much chance of being more effective than a firearm.
Re:Mental illness, mass shootings, and the politics of Ameri... by robswc on Thursday May 26, 2022 @01:02AM (#31514800)
>Neither of those would stand much chance of being more effective than a firearm

One guy with a truck managed to kill more people than even the deadliest shooting in the US.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Nice_truck_attack

The deadliest arson attack on a nightclub in the US killed nearly 2x as many people vs the deadliest shooting at a nightclub. And again, more people than the deadliest shooting in the US _ever_.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Land_fire

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orlando_nightclub_shooting

No idea how you can claim these methods are not as effective.

Re:Mental illness, mass shootings, and the politics of Ameri... by robofanatic on Thursday May 26, 2022 @03:25AM (#31515662)
Yet most of these killers choose guns. The fact that this 18 year old kid was able to order so much ammunition online is so ridiculous
Re:Mental illness, mass shootings, and the politics of Ameri... by robswc on Thursday May 26, 2022 @12:26PM (#31520298)
>Yet most of these killers choose guns.

Because most of these killers aren't trying to kill as many people as possible. They're trying to get attention and "revenge" on society. I'm convinced Columbine literally started this whole thing, due to the way society views it.

>The fact that this 18 year old kid was able to order so much ammunition online is so ridiculous

Sure... but I still don't believe this 18 year old kid would have just given up on his plan to seek revenge. What would stop him from ordering or acquiring a machete and doing essentially the same thing?

There was a knife attack in Japan that left and equal amount of people dead. https://www.cnn.com/2016/07/25/world/japan-knife-attack-deat...

I honestly believe that tighter gun laws would reduce gun deaths... but I think its disingenuous to suggest they would prevent these mass killings or even meaningfully reduce the amount of deaths. Shown in my other comment, other and arguably even easier methods have proven to kill more people.

Re:Mental illness, mass shootings, and the politics of Ameri... by jjeaff on Thursday June 02, 2022 @07:38PM (#31602036)
They are trying to kill as many people as possible. For the reasons you mentioned. "attention and revenge".

More kills, more attention and revenge.

An. But I agree with you that there may be some kind of media/ copy cat component. But what doesn't make since with that theory is that in today's global communications, why is it so much more in the US.

Re:Mental illness, mass shootings, and the politics of Ameri... by robofanatic on Friday May 27, 2022 @06:46AM (#31528033)
> but I still don't believe this 18 year old kid would have just given up on his plan to seek revenge. What would stop him from ordering or acquiring a machete and doing essentially the same thing?

Nothing stopped him from acquiring any of that but still he waited for his 18th birthday so that he could legally buy guns. If it was made difficult for him to buy guns then probably he would have just dreamt about it and over time given up on it. Most 18 year olds are technically adults but still very very stupid and have no control over their emotions.

Re:Mental illness, mass shootings, and the politics of Ameri... by robofanatic on Friday May 27, 2022 @06:35AM (#31527977)
> Because most of these killers aren't trying to kill as many people as possible.

I don’t understand, this kid just killed 21 4th grade kids!!

I agree that there are other affective methods of mass killing but then why don’t we see them happening more often all over the world. You keep pointing at these one off incidents.

Re:Mental illness, mass shootings, and the politics of Ameri... by zbobet2012 on Thursday May 26, 2022 @10:59AM (#31519149)
Arson is historically a more effective mass murder device and used extensively. As well as bombs, cars, poison and many other things.
Re:Mental illness, mass shootings, and the politics of Ameri... by robofanatic on Friday May 27, 2022 @07:02AM (#31528130)
none of that was used in brutally killing dozens of elementary school kids. Where as guns were used, not once but twice.