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Re:The Bitcoin Investment Thesis Is Broken by tootie on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @09:02AM (#31491464)
It's absolutely a pyramid scheme. But that doesn't mean it will actually collapse. A lot of the best known pyramid schemes (Amway, Mary Kay) ended being incredibly durable businesses where all the people who lost their shirts failed to dissuade the next generation.
Re:The Bitcoin Investment Thesis Is Broken by eldenwrong on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @09:16AM (#31491642)
It's absolutely not. Go google the definition of a pyramid scheme
Re:The Bitcoin Investment Thesis Is Broken by giaour on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @11:26AM (#31493344)
Re:The Bitcoin Investment Thesis Is Broken by eldenwrong on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @01:56PM (#31495351)
Google the definition not a fucking opinion. Jesus whenever Bitcoin is brought up we get a horde of midwits
Re:The Bitcoin Investment Thesis Is Broken by moron4hire on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @09:23AM (#31491743)
Not a convincing argument.
Re:The Bitcoin Investment Thesis Is Broken by eldenwrong on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @10:43AM (#31492773)
To engage in rational discourse one has to a at least put minimum effort in the topic
Re:The Bitcoin Investment Thesis Is Broken by giaour on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @11:28AM (#31493366)
Your original comment was just an assertion without analysis or argument. Was this exchange meant to be performance art?
Re:The Bitcoin Investment Thesis Is Broken by eldenwrong on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @12:59PM (#31494631)
Because bitcoin is simply not a pyramid scheme. It has been argued wrongly for over 10 years. Why not read the definition of what pyramid scheme is first? It would clear all doubts, yet people love to parrot dumb headlines
Re:The Bitcoin Investment Thesis Is Broken by tootie on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @09:20PM (#31499553)
You can argue semantics (I mean you're not really even trying) but the fact is that most pyramid schemes at least give some bottles of herbal supplements or crystals or something. Crypto is valued exactly as much as the rate that people keep buying it (minus a load of wasted electricity) and nothing else.

It is literally illegal in the US to advertise investments on TV yet there has been an absolute bombardment of marketing trying to get as many average joes as possible to buy crypto to goose the price. Enticing unsophisticated investors with a promise of massive rewards coupled with badgering FOMO is the exact MO of pyramid schemes.

Re:The Bitcoin Investment Thesis Is Broken by eldenwrong on Thursday May 26, 2022 @06:48AM (#31516827)
Its literally not a pyramid scheme. You could call it a scam sure.

A pyramid scheme means that you use money from new investors to pay previous investors.

Thats not at all what happens with Bitcoin.

Bitcoin just trades like a commodity...

You can call it a bubble sure.

But its simply not a pyramid scheme

Re:The Bitcoin Investment Thesis Is Broken by tjader on Thursday May 26, 2022 @09:23AM (#31518022)
> A pyramid scheme means that you use money from new investors to pay previous investors.

That's a Ponzi scheme.

A pyramid scheme is when you have to pay to your superiors and recruit subordinates, in a way that the main way of recouping your investment is by bringing more subordinates, so that it's only profitable to those in the first few levels of the pyramid.

Re:The Bitcoin Investment Thesis Is Broken by moron4hire on Friday May 27, 2022 @03:53PM (#31534120)
A pyramid scheme is a distributed, decentralized Ponzi scheme
Re:The Bitcoin Investment Thesis Is Broken by moron4hire on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @10:55AM (#31492924)
Same to you
Re:The Bitcoin Investment Thesis Is Broken by gonzo41 on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @09:38AM (#31491920)
Let me tell you about a new NFT I'm launching for our fans so they can own a piece of the ~watever~ and show their support to us. Each NFT will be a AI generated thumbs up that's slightly unique, just like you.

# Yep, crypto and it's offshoots are totally not a scam.

Re:The Bitcoin Investment Thesis Is Broken by emurillo510 on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @10:05AM (#31492278)
the us dollar system is the biggest pyramid scheme :D. Ask people in third world countries. Bitcoin is an alternative from US fiat currency. It is not country backed, but run by individual actors around the world. Will there be volatility? yes, welcome to a true free market system in a high inflation world
Re:The Bitcoin Investment Thesis Is Broken by tootie on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @10:59AM (#31492993)
No fiat is a pyramid. Fiat currencies are actively managed and the managers are at least partially answerable to elected policy makers. If fiat is a pyramid, then all civilized society and representative democracy is a pyramid.
Re:The Bitcoin Investment Thesis Is Broken by xyzzy4747 on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @09:31AM (#31491841)
You could use the same argument about gold which is worth over $10 trillion for an amount that fits into a swimming pool.
Re:The Bitcoin Investment Thesis Is Broken by giaour on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @10:11AM (#31492354)
People have absolutely been using gold investments to run scams on the financially unsophisticated, just like they have been with crypto: https://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/goldline-execs-charged-fraud/...
Re:The Bitcoin Investment Thesis Is Broken by gonzo41 on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @09:40AM (#31491949)
Gold is ductile and a good conductor. Outside of it's shiny / jewelry uses it's actually a useful metal. Crypto only consumes energy as a product of it's existence.
Re:The Bitcoin Investment Thesis Is Broken by ogogmad on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @10:01AM (#31492227)
And when the mining stops, all its value vanishes. Value stored on jelly. Bitcoin has a runaway implosion mechanism built in, and no floor on its price except 0.
Re:The Bitcoin Investment Thesis Is Broken by gonzo41 on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @10:11AM (#31492349)
I bet there's a lot of people who've bought bitcoin on leverage. Bitcoin may go to zero and it'll cost a lot of money on it's journey there.
Re:The Bitcoin Investment Thesis Is Broken by xyzzy4747 on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @10:14AM (#31492389)
If you owned all the gold in the world, you would have a hard time getting trillions of dollars out of it.
Re:The Bitcoin Investment Thesis Is Broken by gonzo41 on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @10:16AM (#31492417)
I agree, it's value is also speculative. I'm just making the point that it can be useful in it's own fundamental self.
Re:The Bitcoin Investment Thesis Is Broken by dubswithus on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @10:41AM (#31492746)
It's not important enough to justify the valuation. I believe that was GP's argument.
Re:The Bitcoin Investment Thesis Is Broken by dtech on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @09:53AM (#31492121)
Gold is a useful material for some use-cases, and people want it because it's pretty. Even if its intrinsic value is overshadowed by store-of-value value, BTC has nothing on that front.
Re:The Bitcoin Investment Thesis Is Broken by xyzzy4747 on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @10:11AM (#31492353)
Bitcoin can be transferred instantly across the world and the amounts verified by computers. Gold cannot.
Re:The Bitcoin Investment Thesis Is Broken by cpurdy on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @10:46AM (#31492805)
>Bitcoin can be transferred instantly across the world and the amounts verified by computers. Gold cannot.

Which is a huge win for gold.

I'm still looking for all my apes that got stolen.

Re:The Bitcoin Investment Thesis Is Broken by giaour on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @10:13AM (#31492377)
Gold can be transferred between parties without leaving a public audit trail. Bitcoin cannot.
Re:The Bitcoin Investment Thesis Is Broken by xyzzy4747 on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @10:33AM (#31492638)
You can sort of transfer Bitcoin without an audit trail by giving someone the private keys to an account.
Re:The Bitcoin Investment Thesis Is Broken by giaour on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @11:33AM (#31493443)
I guess, but there's no proof the sender has deleted their copies of the keys. You would need to immediately transfer the assets to another wallet, and until you did, the sender could rescind the transfer by moving the coins themselves.

Although meeting in person to physically transfer gold requires a similar amount of trust, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Re:The Bitcoin Investment Thesis Is Broken by dtech on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @10:33AM (#31492650)
I fail to see how this is relevant at all, the point of parent was about intrinsic value.
Re:The Bitcoin Investment Thesis Is Broken by xyzzy4747 on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @10:35AM (#31492680)
There is intrinsic value in having a globally accessible Bitcoin network that has lots of liquidity.
Re:The Bitcoin Investment Thesis Is Broken by rowanajmarshall on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @09:35AM (#31491893)
Although people aren't pouring money into gold with the hope of making big profit.
Re:The Bitcoin Investment Thesis Is Broken by ntoskrnl on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @09:41AM (#31491966)
The folks at ZeroHedge would disagree
Re:The Bitcoin Investment Thesis Is Broken by NovemberWhiskey on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @09:48AM (#31492048)
The folks at ZeroHedge have also predicted the financial apocalypse about seventeen times since 2008.