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Re:Quality assurance workers at Activision Blizzard subsidia... by charcircuit on Monday May 23, 2022 @08:15PM (#31486486)
>It's asinine to think they are just playing the game

There are bad parts of every job. The fun part of SWE is coding, but that doesn't mean I don't have to write design docs, coordinat between different teams, etc.

>It deserves good working conditions.

I agree, but that doesn't mean you should make a union to do that.

Re:Quality assurance workers at Activision Blizzard subsidia... by sjtindell on Monday May 23, 2022 @08:43PM (#31486682)
I sit upon a silk cushion, my servants fanning me as I pluck a grape from the bowl. “The plebs don’t understand how hard I work too”, I complain to no one in particular. “Don’t they realize a union will only hurt them? If they’d just brought me their concerns, I’m sure I would have changed those policies.” My guards chuckle as they spear a nearby peasant and toss him from the ramparts.
Re:Quality assurance workers at Activision Blizzard subsidia... by Manuel_D on Monday May 23, 2022 @11:27PM (#31487673)
Is this seriously supposed to be anything but hyperbole? It's not a question of how hard a given job is, but how much demand there is for a given job. If someone wants this job and wants it so much that they're willing to do it for less, I'm not saying no. Not unless there's some special skill that these existing QA people have that the rest of the labor pool lacks.

If someone else is capable of doing my job for half the pay, then hats off to them, and they deserve it.

Re:Quality assurance workers at Activision Blizzard subsidia... by turtledove on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @12:00AM (#31487837)
That's certainly one theory on how to price labor, but it's not the only one (and not even the only one in our capitalist economy.) Worker coops, for instance, have a totally different theory of labor value.

So no, it's not hyperbole to suggest the poster is undervaluing their peers.

Re:Quality assurance workers at Activision Blizzard subsidia... by Manuel_D on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @01:31AM (#31488347)
Not just "undervaluing their peers" but comparing them to peasants murdered and put on pikes?
Re:Quality assurance workers at Activision Blizzard subsidia... by krageon on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @03:33AM (#31489122)
Honestly the tone of the post and the satirical post matched each other so precisely I think it serves as a useful counterpoint to what was posted. The continuity in tone with a completely different context sheds a new light on how problematic the content of the original post was. This is essentially what satire is for.
Re:Quality assurance workers at Activision Blizzard subsidia... by ProfXponent on Monday May 23, 2022 @09:33PM (#31487022)
This made my morning, thank you.

Personally I cannot wait for these “engineers” to be treated like normal technicians.

The odd sense of superiority that people like OP seem to have is nauseating.

Re:Quality assurance workers at Activision Blizzard subsidia... by turtledove on Monday May 23, 2022 @09:44PM (#31487106)
FWIW, I am an engineer and I agree with you.
Re:Quality assurance workers at Activision Blizzard subsidia... by ProfXponent on Monday May 23, 2022 @09:52PM (#31487160)
So am I. I have interviewed a lot of “software engineers” lately and I think that our industry needs to do a better job of protecting that title.
Re:Quality assurance workers at Activision Blizzard subsidia... by turtledove on Monday May 23, 2022 @09:09PM (#31486856)
Writing design docs isn't a bad part of the SWE job.

> that doesn't mean you should make a union to do that.

Usually folks don't unionize until their work consistently fails to deliver good working conditions, so, yeah, in this case you do need to unionize to get that.

Re:Quality assurance workers at Activision Blizzard subsidia... by kanbara on Monday May 23, 2022 @08:24PM (#31486551)
one should not have to rely on the hugely imbalanced power structure between employer and employee to get better working conditions.

these people have stopped licking the boots of capitalism and started to demand change. there’s nothing wrong with that, and there’s no inherent moral value that people should adhere to in their work relationship that precludes them from forming a union.