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Re:Pedal Me bans staff riders from wearing helmets for safet... by prepend on Sunday May 22, 2022 @11:35AM (#31469274)
Aren’t the at fault vehicular manslaughter laws in the US the same for drivers who hit cars, cyclists, and pedestrians? If you kill a cyclist in the US and you’re at fault, that’s likely jail time (same for hitting a car or pedestrian).

What’s missing in US laws vs Netherlands?

Re:Pedal Me bans staff riders from wearing helmets for safet... by sokoloff on Sunday May 22, 2022 @11:40AM (#31469342)
https://www.npr.org/transcripts/245475107?storyId=245475107

If you are convicted of vehicular manslaughter, you are very likely going to serve time.

However, if you hit and kill and cyclist in the US, you are not likely to be charged with vehicular manslaughter, so long as you were sober and weren’t actively trying to hit them.

Re:Pedal Me bans staff riders from wearing helmets for safet... by umanwizard on Sunday May 22, 2022 @11:49AM (#31469438)
It’s not a matter of what’s actually written in the laws but of police/prosecutorial discretion.

Whatever laws are on the books are virtually never actually enforced against motorists, because motorism (and disdain/resentment against cyclists) is deeply embedded in the culture.

The default reaction of the median American (or at least, the median law enforcer) to any accident involving a motorist and a cyclist, regardless of actual fault, is “fucking bikers always breaking laws, running red lights and stop signs, if they want to take our lanes and slow us down, why don’t they think they have to follow rules like a REAL vehicle,” etc.

Re:Pedal Me bans staff riders from wearing helmets for safet... by supertrope on Sunday May 22, 2022 @12:38PM (#31470041)
The last time I did jury duty the judge and staff made sure everyone knew how to use the free parking. A jury of motorists isn't going to judge a fellow motorist harshly.
Re:Pedal Me bans staff riders from wearing helmets for safet... by sokoloff on Monday May 23, 2022 @03:11AM (#31476126)
“Jury of their peers” indeed…
Re:Pedal Me bans staff riders from wearing helmets for safet... by anonymousab on Sunday May 22, 2022 @11:42AM (#31469358)
In the Netherlands and several other European countries, there is presumed/strict liability on the part of the automobile driver. Regardless of fault, a car driver has responsibility for any accident between their car and a bicycle. There is of course more nuance to this, but that's the basic overlying principle.

A joke I heard a few times was "If a bike fell out of the air onto a parked car, the car owner is going to court."

Re:Pedal Me bans staff riders from wearing helmets for safet... by 988747 on Sunday May 22, 2022 @12:19PM (#31469783)
Which sounds terrible, and goes against "innocent until proven guilty" rule. Also, in some situations it gives the driver perverse incentive to finish the cyclist off (and therefore get rid of the only witness), instead of, say, calling an ambulance.
Re:Pedal Me bans staff riders from wearing helmets for safet... by supertrope on Sunday May 22, 2022 @01:02PM (#31470320)
There a lot of cultural bias against bicyclists already. While leaving the scene of an injury accident is a crime, murder is an extreme escalation.
Re:Pedal Me bans staff riders from wearing helmets for safet... by jules on Sunday May 22, 2022 @03:22PM (#31471737)
No. The maximum prison sentence in such a case would be 8, 6, or 2 months in the Netherlands, depending on how reckless the driver was (and up to 4 years if drunk). If you then kill the cyclist you're looking at a maximum of 25 years.
Re:Pedal Me bans staff riders from wearing helmets for safet... by macintux on Sunday May 22, 2022 @11:42AM (#31469361)
There’s a morbid joke in the U.S.: if you want to kill someone, do it while they’re riding a bicycle.

Certainly the perception is that drivers don’t face jail time in such a situation.

Re:Pedal Me bans staff riders from wearing helmets for safet... by kevin_thibedeau on Sunday May 22, 2022 @02:25PM (#31471215)
> that’s likely jail time

No. It will be slap on the wrist time if there are any consequences at all. All it requires is a driver to lie about some mitigating cause they weren't responsible for.