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Re:Top stablecoins shed $7B in May as traders redeem tokens ... by exdsq on Sunday May 22, 2022 @04:10AM (#31465972)
> Watching from the sidelines, the Crypto world seems to just be morphing into the normal financial world.

Say this is true, how amazing would that be for countries without existing banking infrastructure to easily access it?

Re:Top stablecoins shed $7B in May as traders redeem tokens ... by chii on Sunday May 22, 2022 @04:45AM (#31466146)
this is already being done via mobile phones. Crypto doesn't solve the problem of being unbanked. In fact, the requirement that you need good internet speed for crypto to run locally means it's even harder for a place without infrastructure to participate.
Re:Top stablecoins shed $7B in May as traders redeem tokens ... by searchableguy on Sunday May 22, 2022 @06:02AM (#31466541)
In India, everyone has a phone even if they do not have a roof, bank account, proper 3 meals a day, etc. Bank accounts also require minimum balance, address and identity proof which is hard to get for some, local branch is necessary to open an account due to regulation and quality can vary wildly even for urban centres.

> In fact, the requirement that you need good internet speed for crypto to run locally means it's even harder for a place without infrastructure to participate.

Internet costs less than $2 for monthly unlimited data.

You can find 300-500 Mbps broadband in small towns of country where you won't find roads or basic hospitals.

Re:Top stablecoins shed $7B in May as traders redeem tokens ... by exdsq on Sunday May 22, 2022 @11:00AM (#31468903)
This. So many people who dislike crypto also assume the world looks like the US - access to banking, trust in their government, trust in their central bank, access to international finance… If the entire world looked identical to the US then I can understand it’s not as useful. If the entire world ran on regional versions of M-Pesa…
Re:Top stablecoins shed $7B in May as traders redeem tokens ... by closedloop129 on Sunday May 22, 2022 @04:49AM (#31466160)
Can't they already use WeChat and AliPay?
Re:Top stablecoins shed $7B in May as traders redeem tokens ... by exdsq on Sunday May 22, 2022 @02:04PM (#31471004)
How do you do that without a bank account?
Re:Top stablecoins shed $7B in May as traders redeem tokens ... by lottin on Sunday May 22, 2022 @06:22AM (#31466651)
Can you name a single country that doesn't have a "banking infrastructure", other than perhaps North Korea?
Re:Top stablecoins shed $7B in May as traders redeem tokens ... by exdsq on Sunday May 22, 2022 @06:33AM (#31466713)
How about all the communities that use mobile credit over SMS for finance?
Re:Top stablecoins shed $7B in May as traders redeem tokens ... by dmitriid on Sunday May 22, 2022 @05:09AM (#31466250)
So the countries would have access to stable internet (can't have crypto without it).

This access is fast and cheap enough for unbanked people to access it.

These unbanked people would also have access to things like smartphones and computers because crypto doesn't exist in real world.

And yet those countries would not have banking infrastructure.

Nice. Nice.

Any such countries exist?

Re:Top stablecoins shed $7B in May as traders redeem tokens ... by exdsq on Sunday May 22, 2022 @06:35AM (#31466724)
You can actually interact with some crypto projects over SMS, and at the moment there are countries where the majority of txs are SMS mobile credit swaps. The issue is these don’t offer things like account histories, you can’t access financial products like loans (i.e micro loans) and remittance payments are hard to do from abroad in this way.

But actually smart phones and internet access is surprisingly high in sub Saharan africa where they primarily still use SMS trading.

And yes, crypto is starting to catch on out there as an alternative.

Re:Top stablecoins shed $7B in May as traders redeem tokens ... by dmitriid on Sunday May 22, 2022 @02:49PM (#31471432)
> You can actually interact with some crypto projects over SMS

Keyword: some.

Also, banking over SMS was a thing long before crypto.

> But actually smart phones and internet access is surprisingly high in sub Saharan africa where they primarily still use SMS trading.

Then it will be swallowed by something smilar to AliPay. Not by crypto.

Re:Top stablecoins shed $7B in May as traders redeem tokens ... by exdsq on Sunday May 22, 2022 @04:02PM (#31472151)
How do you sign up to AliPay?
Re:Top stablecoins shed $7B in May as traders redeem tokens ... by dmitriid on Monday May 23, 2022 @01:14AM (#31475522)
Quote, emphasis mine: "Something similar to AliPay"
Re:Top stablecoins shed $7B in May as traders redeem tokens ... by exdsq on Monday May 23, 2022 @02:47AM (#31476008)
Crypto adoption is rising pretty fast in these places. I know you dislike that, but it’s a fact - the tech does work for those usecases. SMS is factually less useful than crypto, there are cash onramps available in the most obscure places, and it helps remittance payments that something similar to AliPay doesn’t. Almost any company that comes into this space has to follow KYC which is basically impossible for the cash societies without these necessary docs. If you look into this, such as the Gates Foundations research on payments and remittance in bankless societies, you’d see that crypto is a great solution. There’s a whole world out there in the crypto sphere outside of shitty NFTs and scams :)
Re:Top stablecoins shed $7B in May as traders redeem tokens ... by dmitriid on Monday May 23, 2022 @04:28AM (#31476548)
> SMS is factually less useful than crypto, there are cash onramps available in the most obscure places

SMS is less useful than a lot of things. It doesn't mean that crypto is the solution, or that it won't get replaced by something more useful.

As for "cash on-ramps", it just shows that there's nothing inherently useful in crypto that can't be solved by other means. These are centralised points that people explicitly trust to handle their money. It's nothing new, and once societies stabilise they inevitably re-discover/re-implement all the rules and regulations you're so dismissive of (such as KYC rules).

> If you look into this, such as the Gates Foundations research on payments and remittance in bankless societies, you’d see that crypto

Let's see what Bill Gates himself says about crypto: https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/ut7yj0/im_bill_gates_...